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    Posted: 07 December 2004 at 09:28
I'm a little ashamed to admit this but after guiding for 25 years and doing custom gun work for nearly that long I have never, ever reloaded a single cartridge. Didn't have the time, didn't see the need, didn't know how , etc.. With the cost of quality ammo being what it is today and the availabilty of quality reloading components I am willing to give it a go. I have sorted through all of the catalogs and have seen RCBS, Lyman, Lee and all of the others out there. I can handle the powder selection and my bullet preferences are not up for debate but when it comes to the equipment itself, I have no idea what to buy. Money isn't really a concern because I like to shoot 500-1000 rounds a year in various rifle calibers and the reloading equipment will pay for itself in no time. Who makes the best dies, press, scales, cleaners, tumblers, powder funnels etc..I have saved most of my brass for the last 10 years or so and I have saved all of my Winchester Supreme Nickel plated cases for eventual reloading. All of my reloading brass is once fired so that should be OK. I will load 243Win, 270Win, 7MM Rem, 300 Ultra and a few 30-30 Win loads. I appreciate you letting me in on some of the wisdom you reloaders always have.
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tenring! good to see you posting again! don't be such a stranger!

oh yeah, you asked a question....my preference is toward lee. family operation, good folks, good service, fine product. always does exactly waht i need it to do.

others recommend the rockchucker by RCBS, and there is nothing wrong at all with this either.
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I've got Lyman, RCBS, Pacific and C-H.

I consider RCBS the best of the medium price dies and presses.  High quality and good designs.  Life-time warranty and good service info.

Lee is often recommended by others.  I've had to throw away two sets of their dies and one bullet mold.  The quality and design were the poorest I've ever seen.  the o-ring locking nut is a low cost joke, it doesn't lock anything and means you need to reset your dies every time you use one.  Lee has as advertised "held down the price of dies of others".  Thanks Mr. Lee, I contributed to Lee with two purchases, that is more than enough.

The original neck size Lee tools(sold for $10) were a good bargain-way to get into reloading and I used many a set.

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it is awfully tough to beat an rcbs rockchucker set up. get the kit, add a trickler, some calipers, and take quality notes, and you're on your way.

for the price, redding and rcbs are the best you'll find for dies.

for assorted handtools you may eventually want (primer pocket uniformer, cleaner, chamferring, etc) lyman will probably be your best bet.

for a tumbler, the cabela's house brand is a good one for the money - should you decide you want to tumble brass.

manuals... if you go w/ the rcbs kit, you'll also find a speer reloading manual in it. speer #13 is my favorite, go-to manual. unfortunately, it is getting a little dated (no short mag data, no 480 ruger data, etc), so i also found the lyman manual to be ok, and the sierra manual is nice. i'd rank those 3 as speer, sierra, then lyman. nosler makes a pretty good manual, and that's about the only ones i would buy - sure wouldn't trust a barnes manual...

you may find the nickel cases to be a nuisance... some guys like the stuff, i sure don't.

i wouldn't reccomend you piece your first kit together, especially when the rockchucker kit is top-notch, affordable, and has high-quality stuff in it (everything you need to start reloading, but you'll also benefit by adding calipers and a trickler, maybe a 2nd loading block).

lee:  sure won't find any of that stuff in my reloading area...  don't like it, don't trust it.

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If you are not doing bench rest type accuracy loading, all the RCBS equipment will do you fine. You can't beat thier customer service and lifetime no BS warranty. If you wnat to get into progresive loading, stay wih Dillon.
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tenring: you 'll end up like the rest of us, a little this and that.. i tryed to stay woth rcbs but have a little of all.. if you see something cheap and you want to try it , go ahead.. if it works fine if not try something else...
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   I like the Redding Turret (you don't have to change dies as much), but also have the tried and true rock chucker.  Dies for me are either RCBS, or Hornady, I also have some Reddings but tend to like those that guide the bullet into the case like most competition dies do - hornady has the best deal there.  Saddlesore is right about the progressives with Dillon.

   The powder measure is also a thing to think about, many like lymans model 55, and they are good.  Many folks go for the electronic measure / scale combo but they can have a delta of .1 grains (I tested them pretty good).  Scales, I recommend the RCBS 10-0-10, but and electronic scale is handy for checking the finished loads quickly.

    What are you reloading the most and for what?  One thing most folks don't say and should about reloading is that consistancy is the key.  Throwing powder then do the same exact thing on the bench before you throw more.  If you don't and cause more vibrations the charge you throw will be different (it settles more and you get more in the throw).

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Buy things that are green, and if items are older, grey and orange will be good. Look on Ebay. You can set up pretty reasonably, with top quality stuff.
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Tenring;

The RCBS Rockchucker sits on my bench, right next to the Dillon RL550B.  Almost all of my equipment is either green (RCBS) or blue (Dillon), with very few exceptions.

I'm with Dakotasin, I won't trust the Barnes manual.  I know they goofed some .300 Winmag data in the past, and not by a little bit either.  For manuals, I use a lot of 'em & do a lot of comparing & some extrapolation.  So:  Speer, have all I think from #5 on up to the present #13, Nosler 3,4, & 5, Hornady #6, Vihta original #1 pamphlet & #2, with #3 coming.  The NRA's Handloader's guide.  And various of the powder maker's pamphlets, which I DO NOT suggest you take as gospel - EVER.

I've got the basic Thumbler's Tumbler case shaker & don't think one's that much better than the other.  Dies, unless you get very serious, Redding & RCBS will do just fine.  Another anti-vote for Lee as far as that goes.

If you do much pistol, get a Dillon - period.  The ease & reliability are legendary for good reason.  It's all true, they are built like tanks & the customer support is second to none.

Also, get a good steno book for each caliber & for each gun in the same caliber & keep good records of your load notes.  You will be glad you did, no exceptions.

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Tenring,I use a Rockchucker.Thats all I use.All of my dies are RCBS except for a set of Redding 25-06AI dies.I `ve used a Lyman press and liked it too.But for the money a chucker is hard too beat.

I will not use Lee dies, ever.Lots of folks do, but you get what you pay for.

I use a Sierra Manual,and a Hodgdon manual.When I need more info I bum it off of one of these other fellas around here.My scale is a Hornady Magnetic M.I have no complaints.My trimmer is a RCBS manual trimmer,Trust me get you a lever lock.Nothing fun about sitting down and trimming 500 rounds of brass with a Tbar handle.My brass tumbler looks like an old butter dish on a platform I got from a buddy from Colorado.It is a dinosaur,but it still works so I use it.I think Santa is bringing me a Frankford Arsenal from Midway though.. if the Mrs, keeps looking at my open Midway catalog with a highlighted circle around it and the words."I sure wish I had this for Christmas" written beside it.

I have 2 sets of Calipers.All of mine are commercial machinist stuff,but RCBS,Hornady and a bunch of others have real reasonable stuff in most catalogs.For a primer pocket uniformer ,I have a Lyman LR that I started with ,but now I use a EJS with cutters for both large and small primer pockets.I use a RCBS flashole deburring tool as well .Just buy the different caliber collets and you can interchange it.

Good luck with reloading.It is addictive..


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Tenring;
You can do everything you want with Lee dies and accesories.
Their presses are up to anything their competitors have, or more.
Their bullet molds are for the most part, very good.
The repriming tool is the best.
Just go to Lee reloading.com
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I'll go along with the suggestion you get an RCBS Rockchucker press, either used or new. Beefy enough, you'll never kill it if you keep it clean and lubed.

A turret might be a good idea if you swap around between one or two favorites.

I decided starting out that I was interested in production-type reloading, so right out of the gate I bought a Lee Anniversary Kit and a Dillion XL-650 progressive loader the same day. The next day I bought an RCBS 505 scale and an RCBS trickler, 4000 primers and four pounds of powder, 400 bullets and awaaaaay we went. I've never regretted going kookoo with the checkbook.

The Lee stuff, including the measure, is used for initial load workup, then I throw everything on a Dillon tool head and go from there. One caveat, if you are doing magnums, I don't trust the Dillion measure at all on stick powders like 4350 or 4831, even SC.

Dies: I like RCBS, Redding, and Hornady. I have mixed and matched die sets to get what I want. I think the Hornady decapping rod is marginal, but I think their sleeve bullet seaters are wonderful.

Manual: I won a Hodgdon manual at an egg shoot and it's pretty much all I will ever need, but that's because I shoot Brand H powders exclusively. Get a good manual, ask your friends what they like.

Hornady One Shot is super case lube, by the way. But if you neck size, you don't need lube. And if necking, you should really look at the various neck insert units. I have them on a couple of calibers that I shoot a lot with the titanium nitride coating.  

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RDBS Rockchucker.  Tere are 2 in my family.  THey are big, beefy and bullet proof (no pun intended).

Now if you get into loading a lot of pistol stuff, I've heard that Dillon is hard to be for progressive reloading.

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Waksupi,

Fantastic advise.  Very correct.

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I started off with Lee equipment.  Didn't know how much I'd like reloading and didn't want to spend much money.    The press lasted a couple years before it broke.  The powder measure leaked powder out the sides. (Sent that back right away.)

I like the Rockchucker press a lot.  I use the rcbs Uniflow powder measure and it's worked just fine.   I still use the Lee pistol dies I've had since starting.  But if I need new caliber dies I buy Redding.  The Pact electronic scale has been easier to use than the balance type scale I started with.  The Midway brass tumbler has kept my cases clean.  My Hornady, Nosler and Speer manuals get used to compare data.

There's going to be a lot of little items you'll discover over time.  And I bet once you start loading your own, you will be hooked for life.

Those nickel cases you have should be ok for a couple shootings, but from my experience you'll start getting split necks earlier than plain brass cases.

Good luck, and I hope you're giving us some reloading tips soon.  

 

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Most folks end up with a mix of products on their bench. I've got an RCBS Jr press, a Lee turret, and two Dillon 550Bs. RCBS Uniflow powder measure, a mix of dies... Lee, RCBS, and Lyman. Pact BBK scale, with an old Ohaus as a back up, RCBS trickler, Lee dippers, and two Lyman lubrisizers. Funny how one's experiences color perception...never had a problem with Lee dies, and I have had an RCBS .243 sizer that was too long...wouldn't push the neck back enough to chamber in a correctly headspaced rifle. Didn't send it back, just stoned the bottom to shorten it the corrct amount. By some folk's logic, I should refuse to use RCBS dies, because of one lemon. Any manufactured item can, and sooner or later, will be wrong, doesn't matter whose name is on it!
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Rockchucker here too. I've had two other RCBS presses, older ones and a CH. They worked fine but didn't have the leverage for loading the big rifle cartridges like the chucker. I started out all RCBS but have tried and have about every other mfg. die out there. I even have a couple sets of Herters that I can't remember where I got and don't waste my time using. I don't mind Lee carbide pistol dies but I wouldn't consider any of their rifle dies other than the .30 carbine. About 70% of my stuff is RCBS the rest is divided between all the other brands. I've been loading for 30 years and have about that many sets of dies not including 12ga and .410 loaders.

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I have an old Herters press and powder measure. I use RCBS and an old set of Baer dies (RCBS is alot better). I have a Forrester case trimmer I like.

Alot of different stuff but it works for me. Dont forget to look at garage sales.

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Like Waksupi I like green things.My dies are mostly Redding with a couple of Hornady seaters.

For a press Redding,RCBS or Lyman.

Lyman make lots of little extras that are nice to have but not necessary.

I,like Bear,have had trouble with Lee dies and steer clear of them.

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My reloading press is a Dillon RL550B, as are the majority of my dies, shell plates, & conversion kits. I also have one of their electronic powder scales, electric brass polishers, & media separators.

While it is a progressive machine, for each rifle round I put through it I weigh out the powder charge in my electronic scale to keep the powder weight consistent to within .1 grain of weight. On my pistol rounds I weigh every 5th load to make sure it is within .3 grains of what I'm looking to load.

Dillon has the BEST guarantee as far as I'm concerned,... I had in the past bent a primer pin and had 2 different cases stick in the sizing die all of which were replaced at no charge. The Dillon dies have a stuck case remover incorporated in each one of their primer/sizing dies but in those 2 instances the brass would not pop loose. So I called their toll free number and they sent a brand new die to me. I've had this set-up since the middle 80's and just can't say enough GOOD things about their equipment or guarantees!  I have added quite a bit more stuff to my bench since this picture was taken (2000) but you get the general idea of my set up.

My shotshell loader is a MEC 600 JR. and it too is a great press for the money.

 

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