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    Posted: 24 October 2011 at 02:17
Anybody got a an opinion on these?

9mm or 40 cal???


To use for personal protection. I'm not a range shooter

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Which frame is it built on?

W/the exception of Sig and H&K...I don't know of any .40s, that share the same frame size as a 9mm that are up to the task of a bunch of bullets (say over 2,000 rds...also how often are you going to shoot 200 rounds in a sitting?).

That said...I don't kno nut'N 'bout dat dere particuler gun. 

I don't even know if I've ever seen one.  I just know that when you build a .40 on a 9 frame, it ain't going to hang...if you shoot the snot out of it (as the .40 recoil is on a par w/a .45)...now for most people it doesn't matter as they don't shoot that much.  Taurus does have the lifetime warranty.

I just re-read your post and note that you don't go to the range much.  The biggest thing about a personal protection gun is that it must run 100% of the time. 

I know nothing about the Taurus being able to do such a thing. 

IF, IF, IF you hear that it does not, then I'd recommend a Springfield XD or a Glock...in 9mm.  (or if cost is no deterence, Sig or H&K).  There are also several companies that build 1911's in 9mm and/or .40.

Anyway, back on track, being as you are not a "shooter," or "gun-nut" I'd say 9mm...there is a world of difference in the recoil (see above)and w/GOOD JHP ammo, there tain't that much dif in the performance...AT POINT BLANK RANGE (say under 10 yards). 

Remember this..."Anything worth shooting, is worth shooting twice." 

From the movie "Big Jake"  John Wayne tells Richard Boone (who kidnaped his grand-son)...now you listen...I don't care what happens here, you shoot me, your friends shoot me, you may kill me, but before that happens, I'm going to kill you.  There are some instances, in this world, where things need to be shot more than once.  Therefore, a 9mm is up to the task...(3) 9mm vs (2) .40 bullets...who cares. 

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.40 .....just personal preference....IF I can't carry a .45ACP/1911

ps.....I think Richard Boone (bad guy) said that to John Wayne (Big Jake) first...then it got spoke back to him at end of movie....


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Just some thoughts.    Like stinky said, if you are not a heavy recoil shooter, then the 9mm would be better.

But, I think it depends upon what you mean by personal protection?  Is that a night stand gun? 

or a car travel gun?  

or a conceal carry gun?

The millenium 140 is very light 19 oz and should conceal easily, but in 40 it would be a difficult gun to control well, for many people.

 

The pro 140 is also DA/Sa, double/single action with out a hammer.  not sure what Taurus means by that in their model.  Usually it means that the gun is double action for the first shot and single action there after.  so it is a hard trigger pull for the first shot (cocks and then fires).  for subsequent shots the gun IS ALREADY cocked and needs only the lighter trigger pull to fire it.  this can be difficult in a high emotion situation, as the second shothas a drastically reduced trigger pull, is like having a hair trigger gun in your hand after having fired at a bad guy.  Most police are not allow to carry this type of action, preferring a double action only, one that has the same force for the first and second shot, to avoid an accidental discharge in a tough situation.  combining light weight, and  the 40 cal recoil might be asking for doubling. (a second shot being fired without wanting to).

having said that, i carry a sa/da for the last 44 years (s&W M39), but I range shoot weekly, sometime 3 times a week.  It is also a 9mm which I consider more than adequate for personal protection.  While I have some heaavy duty handguns (375) I don't own a 40 or see the need for that cartridge (others would certainly disagree).

For night stand use I usually recommend a 38 4 inch revolver, in a medium weight steel frame.  No safety to fool with at night in the dark, plenty of power, and very simple to operate and shoot.  For shooting, more weight is better, for carry lighter seems more convienent.

The taurus  140 does look like an attaractive package.

just some thoughts

 

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What Taurus has is a SA/DA with "Strike Two" Capability. 

Basically you have SA on all shots, when you load round in chamber, hammer/striker is cocked, if you have FTF, you can pull trigger in double action mode instead of racking slide, for a second chance on bad primer.  This may be a plus, if you don't run malfunction drills, you just squeeze, until it runs dry.  They don't have decocker, so you can't carry it with hammer/striker down and have first shot DA.

Some models are DA only and some have external hammer, these don't have the second strike capability, you rack the slide to clear FTF.

As far a 40 vs 9, I don't have either, I can tell you a 45 is a handful in a 21oz pistol(PT-745), 28oz double stack(24/745) is harder to carry, the best to shoot is the 40oz 1911, it just feels right.

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the second strike capability can be argumentive....why would you want to chance a bad primer/round not firing a second time when in a desperate situation IE Life & death....instead of racking slide for a new round that most likely would fire???? If you don't train for that happenstance doing the second strike on a bad round won't be any good either....let the arguments flow........
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If I HAVE to carry a .40, it will be a SIG. Auto pistols the world round aspire to be SIG's. Never EVER heard of ANYONE exercising a "second strike capability" with a cartridge that has failed. Sounds like a great way to get killed. I have attended a number of gunfighting courses, and I mean a LOT, and NO instructor ever said to DA the round again. Tap rack is the drill following a misfire. The "second strike" sounds like someone apologizing for an inferior gun. In other words, a crock of shit.............................Kingpin
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Around here you can catch the straight skinney on a whole list of products. Best thing I could add would be to call a couple of shooting ranges and see if you can rent a gun before you buy one. (You won't be able to leave the range with it) Try the pistols out and see which one you like best.
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I was answering Bear's

"The pro 140 is also DA/Sa, double/single action with out a hammer.  not sure what Taurus means by that in their model."

I pointed out the only possible reasoning for this.

"This may be a plus, if you don't run malfunction drills, you just squeeze, until it runs dry."

Taurus has dropped the "second strike" in most all of it's newer pistols, most saw it as a marketing gimmick.  Some of their newer line are DA only with a decocker.

Not everyone can afford a SIG, you could argue, that you can't afford not to have one.  That would be a valid point.

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Thanks guys. Alot to the jargon left me scratching my head. While I own a number of guns I'm not one to get too technical. Just looking for something to protect family. Not looking to shoot thousands of rounds. Have 4" .38 Taurus and 6" .357 SW revolvers. Just looking for extra capacity and something to carry if I decided to get CWP

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if it has a decocker, it mens the hammer/striker is cocked, unlike a true doouble action.

Blue, it sounds like the 4" 38 is perfectfor now.

If when you get the CWP you shuold consider a lot of cartridges and handgun types to get what fits YOUR specific needs.  25, 32, and 380s all make nice cary weapons.

let us know your decision.  enjoy.

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"if it has a decocker, it mens the hammer/striker is cocked, unlike a true doouble action."

From what I understand, slide precocks striker @60% to 80% or so(depending on model) and DA trigger pull is not as long as true DA only.  By precocking striker, trigger is supposed to have less stacking and it also claimed to shorten reset length on trigger.

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Maybe just carry rocks?
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I know the question of affordability comes up a lot. I feel like this, if I plan to use it for self defense, I will buy the best pistol that there is, both reliability and reputation come into play. I for one do NOT want to go to a gun that has the possibility of being a dead mans gun. Don't want one. Don't need one. My ass is worth a lot more than any blue light special, and I don't even own them to plink with. I can understand the economics of it, for sure, but when my life is on the line, it's a totally different matter. I also seem to remember that Taurus has an excellant garantee, but, if it failed in a life or death situation, widows would be the ones that held them to that...........................Kingpin
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Do ya need to be able to operate it with either hand?  If so, SIG's aren't particularly left-friendly.  H&K, literally on the other hand, will be more than happy to produce a pistol that's perfectly operable with either set of lunch hooks.

I've got an H&K USP40 compact & have had it since about 1997 or so.  Never had a problem with it.

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worth repeating KPs thought:  "...use it for self defense, I will buy the best pistol that there is, both reliability and reputation come into play."
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Shooting both hands is good, but, shooting it with the strong hand is preferrable. In shooting scrapes, sometimes the strongg hand or arm is disabled. On the SIG, can be switched to left hand mag release. With a 226 (or any in that line), with a 15 round mag, just how many shots does one need. If the gun is drawn, and in action when a crippling blow is dealt, the gun still operates with the weak hand, just as well, albeit, accuracy may suffer using the weak hand for the average shooter. If rehearsing, practice one hand mag changes......................................Kingpin
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