Target 45 ACP

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   Don't know about others, but I have two very different ways of buying guns.
1st is the impulse buy, no thought involved immediate purchase - then thinking "Why did I do that?" & a sinking feeling I screwed up.  Just bought a 300 H & H Remington 721 @ the Reno Gun Show that way.  Seems alot of my favorite guns are had that way.  Other way is seeing a gun & thinking "That's kind of nice" with no intent I'll eventually buy.  And of course, months later I buy.  This usually happens with a type of gun, which is where I am with target 45 ACP.  Just saw a Kimber Team Match, 5" bbl with adjustable sights.  Strictly a bulls eye target type pistol.  My question is - for punching bulls eyes which is the best 45 ACP 1911 pistol out there?  My requirements are an excellent trigger & sights, out of the box accuracy of all shots touching @ 25 yds (off a rest of course, equal to my 1955 Smith).  I don't want to have to modify parts or add on.  The only adjustements I'm willing to make is swapping an arched mainspring for flat and throwing away a full length recoil guide rod.  Don't like the 1st & the 2nd is useless.
I already have a Springfield Loaded and it's a fine gun, but it's not accurate enough for my needs and I don't want to spend time & $$$ upgrading.  I'd like to keep my cost around $1,000.00.  I lean strongly to new on this one.  I enjoy the adventure of buying used, but not this time. 
Thanks,

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dfletcher Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List .243 Winchester Joined: 13 December 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 216	Post Options Post Reply Quote dfletcher Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: Target 45 ACP Posted: 21 January 2006 at 21:16
	Don't know about others, but I have two very different ways of buying guns. 1st is the impulse buy, no thought involved immediate purchase - then thinking "Why did I do that?" & a sinking feeling I screwed up. Just bought a 300 H & H Remington 721 @ the Reno Gun Show that way. Seems alot of my favorite guns are had that way. Other way is seeing a gun & thinking "That's kind of nice" with no intent I'll eventually buy. And of course, months later I buy. This usually happens with a type of gun, which is where I am with target 45 ACP. Just saw a Kimber Team Match, 5" bbl with adjustable sights. Strictly a bulls eye target type pistol. My question is - for punching bulls eyes which is the best 45 ACP 1911 pistol out there? My requirements are an excellent trigger & sights, out of the box accuracy of all shots touching @ 25 yds (off a rest of course, equal to my 1955 Smith). I don't want to have to modify parts or add on. The only adjustements I'm willing to make is swapping an arched mainspring for flat and throwing away a full length recoil guide rod. Don't like the 1st & the 2nd is useless. I already have a Springfield Loaded and it's a fine gun, but it's not accurate enough for my needs and I don't want to spend time & $$$ upgrading. I'd like to keep my cost around $1,000.00. I lean strongly to new on this one. I enjoy the adventure of buying used, but not this time. Thanks,

dakotasin Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Administrator a TRUE brother-in-arms! Joined: 10 June 2003 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 4099	Post Options Post Reply Quote dakotasin Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 22 January 2006 at 05:00
	i think a les baer might work for you, or an svi. at $1000 limit you'll have a difficult, but not impossible quest. my cousin picked up a briley for $900, and it is a true-custom. the only flaw to it (for your requirements) is it is chambered to 40. might not be a bad idea to see what big custom makers have laying around on the clearance rack and such. you are right though - the off-the-rack $400-500 1911 isn't gonna cut it.
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Kingpin Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List .416 Rigby aka Old IronSides Joined: 01 July 2003 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 11716	Post Options Post Reply Quote Kingpin Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 25 January 2006 at 14:26
	Depending on what you want to do with the Springfield will dictate the cost. Even a Colt "God cup" is only marginal out of the box. To make it a real paper punching wizard, you'll need a minimum of $1600 to make it one of the competitive pistols. IPSC shooting is a little different. They can be a little looser because of the leatherwork you have to do to shoot the game and the environment you will be operating in. A wad cutter pistol necessitates that the gun be kept spotlessly clean. Here's a news flash, to keep it clean, it requires stripping it after every shoot that you attend. That, and repetitive shooting creates wear. Now, a trigger job on a 1911 will not allow you to dryfire as frequently as you want to for practice sake because when you drop the slide with an empty chamber, it wrecks all the work that you paid for, for the trigger job. Now, testing the weight of the trigger requires more that racking the slide and trying it. When you rack the slide and GENTLY return it home, you must be pulling the trigger through out to operate the disconnector, otherwise, you will get a false sense of what the trigger job did for you. Just a few things to think about before spending money on a 1911 and the different types of shooting. There is no such thing as a crossover pistol, meaning that a bullseye 1911 cannot be used safely as a carry gun because of the lighter trigger, whereas, an IPSC pistol or an IDPA (I Don't Practice Anymore) pistol may be used as a carry gun as long as you are aware of the pistol and the trigger. I don't recommend carrying a match pistol for "social work" though. Many of the latter shooters have the grip safety "pinned" so that is deactivated and it is legal for the sport, except, in the highly unlikely event that you drop it, all bets are off. If you drop it and it doesn't discharge, you will be disqualified from the match. If you drop it and it goes off you will be disqualified too, and count your lucky stars that you didn't hit anyone. If you drop it in the face of a booger that is your intended target and intent on harming you, you deserve everything that he does to you for operating in the "highly stupid" mode. The series 70 pistols do not have a firing pin block. The series 80 pistols do. Meaning, that if you drop a series 70 pistol, safety on, on the muzzle, there is a highly likely probability that you will have an "inertia fire" because the firing pin can travel with enough of an impulse to fire the cartridge, safety on or not, but I bet we all know this........................Kingpin
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Muleskinner Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List .416 Rigby AKA The Crotchety ol’ Geezer Joined: 13 June 2003 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 5285	Post Options Post Reply Quote Muleskinner Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 27 January 2006 at 22:40
	Why rack the slide to dry fire when you only have to cock the hammer? A snap cap and a working thumb is all that is required to dry fire a 1911 safely. I NEVER let my action slam home on an empty magazine. And, its not having a round in the chamber that slows down the bolt face when you allow the slide to slam shut, its the action of stripping a round from the magazine that does that buffering. Sounds like KP likes the sound of operating his 1911s action without ammo. A lil' enamored with the feat from too many bad movies, I suspect. Ever notice how many times a gun can be cocked without firing it in Hollywood? Just get a snap cap and cock the thing with your thumb. No worries. I have a God Cup Trophy, and it does fine out of the box although the trigger could use a little work, but I'm not shooting competitively. Otherwise, its just a practice piece to keep some of the wear off my carry piece.
	Mule

Kingpin Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List .416 Rigby aka Old IronSides Joined: 01 July 2003 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 11716	Post Options Post Reply Quote Kingpin Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 28 January 2006 at 01:42
	The slide is racked, with the trigger pulled because it also operates the disconnector. All things must be operated to check the trigger pull. When the slide returns to battery, ease it forward, but keep pressure on the trigger. Realses the trigger anf you ought to hear a click (this means that the disconnector is functioning as it should.) Checking the trigger in any other way may give you a false reading, and is just not the way it's done. Sounds like KP likes the sound of operating his 1911s action without ammo. In my business, you don't keep ammo and guns on the bench. It sounds like your bench is a good place to stay away from, for safety's sake. Maybe that's why your "God Cup" needs some trigger work, you are checking the trigger wrong...........Kingpin
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dfletcher Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List .243 Winchester Joined: 13 December 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 216	Post Options Post Reply Quote dfletcher Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 28 January 2006 at 05:42
	Actually I agree with Kingpin - cycling the action serves to reset the disconnector by having it move down & up against the slide. I can see that adjusting leaf springs in the course of fine tuning a trigger could leave them too weak to cause the disconnector to move. Might not catch that if you're just cocking the trigger. By the way - anyone know if the Kimber uses a firing pin lock & if so, is it trigger or safety activated? I don't care for the trigger activated.

Muleskinner Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List .416 Rigby AKA The Crotchety ol’ Geezer Joined: 13 June 2003 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 5285	Post Options Post Reply Quote Muleskinner Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 03 February 2006 at 12:47
	Hum. Guess ol' KP's got a lil' butter on his bread afterall.
	Mule