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    Posted: 17 November 2005 at 04:54
anyone want to take this on? i've never done it before.

obviously, you can't use fat from the animal. as i remember, beef tallow or
possibly suet is used most. is pork fat ever used? is 15% good, or too dry?
can vension gound into burger be used to make sausage later?

anyone who does a lot of this is asked to give us a blow-by-blow, and
answer these and other questions! inquiring minds want to know!
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I grind about 3-4 deer per year, which doesn't make me an expert, but here is my protocol.

I add suet, but probably less that 5%.  I am able to purchase it at the local grocery store for .50/pound.  I use beef, but have heard pork will also work.  I think I read somewhere that beef will store frozen longer than pork, but I don't think it would be a big deal either way.

I trim all the fat from the deer and and toss chunks in the grinder.  Between every three or four chuncks, I will toss in a 1/2" x 1/2 piece of suet.  When I have filled up a plastic bin I do an additional quick mix with my hands and then roll them into ~1.5 pound balls.  Then the wrapping starts.

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mt -

i like the idea of using a minimum amount of fat. most people have told
me that it makes the meat dry, but it seems to me that if you make it
lean, you can always add later if needed. i was thinking of using pork
simply because i thought that there might be more versatility if i wanted
to make sausage. with a lean mix such as 5% or so, it looks like i could
keep that versatility and use beef, which might last longer.

obviously, trimming all fat results in better tasting burger that will last
longer. what about membranes/silverskin etc? i normally trim every bit
out when i am making jerky, basically, there is nothing at all that isn't
meat. it would be my instinct to do this making burger as well, but others
have told me that you can relax this a bit for burger and get more yield,
and if some membranes get in there, it's alright due to the grinding.
what's your take on that? is it necessary or desireable to be as anal about
trimming for burger as i am for steaks and roasts?

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TasunkaWitko,

I'll go to Sam's Club and buy Boston Butt(pork) for $.89-$1.19/lb and mix it w/the game meat.  For moist sausage, I grind 80% game meat to 20% BB.......for burger I mix 90% game meat to 10% BB.  I like the Boston Butt because it's cheap and it's not all fat.  I'm really anal about the trimming of the game meat......I "think" it removes any chance of strong flavors the waste could impart on the final product.....then, again, the mind is a wonderful thing.

This sheep season, we had some meat that had to be processed and due to logistics, we sent it out to a processor and had sausage made out of it.....he added 15% pork and the sausage is moist but hardly any grease is in the pan when finished cooking......really good stuff.

When I make sausage, I cut both meats in strips and grind them two strips of each at a time, grinding it fine, not coarse.....once it's all ground, I mix my spices together in ice water and then combine w/the ground meat mixing well.....my family likes the sausage in patties......the sheep sausage I had made is in links.....I don't care, it's all good.

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I like to use beef back fat or trimmings from steak fat as the fat portion. Suet melts to nothing when heated whereas the steak trimmings maintain their consistency as on the steak when cooked. I like a little fat color in my venison hamburgh. Everyone's taste is different, so an individual has to try different things to get to where he wants to be with flavor , consistency etc..

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I generally add 5-10 % in burger, and around 15% for sausages. I buy bacon ends and pieces all year long. I then take out the lean stuff for breakfast and beans. The fat goes into a bag in the freezer. Then in the fall, I have a good head start on the fat required.
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In most years 4-6 deer grace my freezer.  I keep the loin and backstraps whole, make as many steaks as possible, and grind everything else.  No roasts or chops.

All meat is ground without any fat (beef or pork) added.  This is at the strict instructions of the resident Italian chef.  Never had dry venison.  Yes you can cook it with what ever fat or moisture you want at the time of cooking.  Hamburgers with a heavy smoked bacon strip in it is great.  In venison meat loaf my wife adds lots of "stuff" like salad mustard and "secret ingredients".  Very moist.

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ovis, sam, waksupi and bear -

thanks for the replies, gentlemen - looks like i've got a few options, and that
trimming carefully is just as important with burger as it is with steaks.

right now, i've only got one of those old-fashioned hand grinders, and it
only has one blade (i THINK the coarse one), but i'll be keeping my eyes
open for one with all the baldes or, better yet, an electric grinder.
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I just do a straight grind with elk or deer. Why remove the healthy benefit of naturally lean meat by adding fat? I've never had dry meat. It's all in how you cook it.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote drinksgin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 November 2005 at 14:24
Tas;
I have used several grinders over the last 55 years, due to shoulder broblems, I had to stop using a #32 hand grinder several years ago, tried 3 electric grinders, all did not last, motor or gears gave out.
I then got a 1hp grinder from Northern, cost $100, but uses standard plates, which the local hardware carries and has done about 250 lbs sausage for me in the last 3 years, plus 2-300 lb of hamburger.
So far so good.
Harbor Freight and Northern both have a combination meat band saw and grinder for about 250-300 dollars, I do not have one, but do know someone who has the Harbor Freight machine, he is happy with it, so far, after 3 years of medium use.
He worked as a grocery store butcher for a few years so I would expect him to know if it is doing pretty well.
The band saw is a nice feature.
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I just ground up two deer yesterday. No real scientific method but generally I grind up about half of a deer into burger the rest is steaks and roasts.  Depending on the size of the deer I'll use between 1 1/2 to 3# ground pork per deer. I take a piece of deer meat about the size of my fist and a wad of ground pork about the size of a ping-pong ball and run it through the grinder together to mix it up. If I had to guess I'd say the ratio is around 15% pork, still very lean.

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I have the $99 Northern Tool grinder , and it has done quite a few elk with no problems and is still like new.

Adding beef suet to your burger, will give you pasty feeling in your mouth when you eat it. Years ago I added steak trimmings, because all the rest of the guys in the group wanted to. Now I don't add anything. I am VERY VERY picky what goes into my ground meat. More so than my stealks. A lot of folks say that if you don't add some kind of fat, the burgers won't cook on the grill as they will fall apart. Not true. All you need to do is not to turn them as quickly. Let it sear good on one side , before turning. I only flip my burgers twice.

Straight meat without fat gives you better chili, spaghetti or what ever recipe you want to make. A spray of olive oil on the burge rwhile cooking willl add enough oil for most tastes.

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Another way to keep burgers together is to add an egg, or just the egg white, to the burger with some spices and mix it up before making the patties.
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don and s.s. - sounds like the northern grinder would be a good investment. i'd like to get one and do it myself, rather than pay a guy to do it.

as for the fat, it sounds like a lot of different options. my first preference would be to go as lean as possible, and maybe even try to do it with none at all.
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I've got 26 pounds to grind tonight. I mix 1 pound of bacon ends and pieces with each 4 pounds of venison. If making breakfast sausage I sometimes use Maple flavored bacon. I use a grinder attachment for the Kitchenaid mixer. Can't feed it too hard or it gets a little warm but I've done it for 3 or 4 years and it seems to be holding up. RD

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