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Topic: Ruger GP100Posted: 09 January 2009 at 16:42 |
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The one thing I lack in my arsenal is a self defense handgun. I've never been a big Auto fan so I'm considering a DA revolver. I'd like something for my wife to start shooting with too. She shot a couple of rounds through my sons 9mm Glock and didn't like the recoil. I was thinking of a 357 that I could load down to 38 Cowboy action levels for her to start with and gradually work up to factory type 38 loads. Any opinions on the Ruger GP 100? Are there better guns for the dollar out there? Which grips are the best? I actually like the rosewood/rubber look. Anybody have opinions on the fit and servicability of these? RD |
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Posted: 09 January 2009 at 17:23 |
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Rocky; The GP100 is, particulary with the full underlug, a substantial handgun. They are tough as nails & reliable as a bucket of rocks. That being said, if you get one, take it down & detail clean it before putting any rounds through it. Most particularly if it's a brand new one. Ruger has been known to leave filings & other small metallic detrius in the works. Cleaning alone can help the trigger on a new Ruger handgun. It will also allow you to detail inspect the interacting parts & note rough surfaces that might want some attention. I would most assuredly not turn my nose up if one were put in front of me at the right price, I can tell you that. But, they are not really a carry gun. They are an ideal trail gun & general purpose revolver, but tend to be considered too large & heavy to be a long term S.D. packer by most folks. I packed the much smaller SP101 for awhile & gave it up for the H&K compact. The sheer mass of a GP100 will certainly mitigate recoil, but let's take a look at some numbers from the Hornady 6th ed., volume 2. Therein are the velocity & energy tables. It says that a 9mm 124 grain bullet launched at 1200 fps has 396 ft. lbs. of energy. It also says that a .38 158 grain bullet launched at 850 fps has 224 ft lbs of energy. Comparing the energy numbers, it's reasonable to also expect a marked reduction in recoil. Then when you factor in the gun weight of the GP100 against the plastic fantastic, recoil becomes essentially a non-factor. If daily carry is going to be a major point in your decision, I'd at least take a look at some other options. The first finding a semi-auto in 9mm with a steel frame and a better grip. Let's face it, the Glock has a square and obnoxiously sharp checkered grip. That combined with it's light weight tends to exaberate felt recoil rather than reduce it. See if you can find a Smith model 439, SIG P230, Browning Hi-Power, or the Stoeger (old Beretta 8000 Cougar) 9mm for her to test fire. She might change her mind about the recoil of the 9mm. And there's very little doubt that most folks find the flat semi easier to carry in the long run than the bulging cylinder of the revolver. Or, do what a real gun guy does - get both.
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Posted: 10 January 2009 at 01:13 |
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Rocky, CB is about right, as usual. I have shot a lot of gp100, mostly target 38s. Great gun very well built. It work well with reduced loads and full 357 rounds. So I think it fills the bill for you.
It is not a lightweight carry gun. But for plinking, carrying in the car on long trips, or in the night stand, it can't be beat. My conceal carry guns tend to be ultra light weight 38 revolvers, S&W 442. I use the S&W M39 (aluminum frame m439) as my car/night stand gun. Most people want lots of power for CCW. I do not. The important things in a CCW gun for me is lightweight and accuracy. These guns are not for a shoot out nor a LEO gun fight, so no fire power is really needed in 99% of intended use. It is better to have a lightweight gun 32 auto, 25 auto, or 22rf ON YOU when you needed it than having a 40 auto in the car or at home. I've been CCW carrying since 1972, carried a lot of guns. The best gun is one that you will carry. For many years I carried the s&W 39 and model 19 (great revolver gun but more $$ than the GP). Maybe in conclusion you do need two guns BEAR |
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Posted: 10 January 2009 at 03:52 |
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Thanks for the replys. I'm not looking for a CCW right now. You've got to remember I live in the state of Wiskonsin near it's great Kapitol city of Madison. One of, I believe, the last 2 states prohibiting concealed carry thanks to our blowhard Governor Jim Doyle's veto pen. I'm really looking at a nightstand/hiking on private property gun. Where I scout and hunt deer we have rare but not unheard of timber rattler and wild hog populations. We had one morel hunter, and another guy putting up treestands, treed by sows with piglets a couple of years ago. Wonder what barrel length balances the best? RD
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Posted: 10 January 2009 at 03:59 |
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rocky - no flies on the gp-100 for a home defense weapon, but as noted it is not one you are going to carry much. you did not explicitly say you are looking for a carry piece, so given that it is a night-stand type of gun, i would sign off on the gp w/ a caveat. make sure the trigger reach fits you and your wife. some 357's have some pretty large frames and trigger reach can be difficult. note my s&w 686 - my brother w/ his short fingers can barely fire the gun in double action mode because he just can't reach the trigger. as for grips... my 686 wears pachymar combat grips because the open backstrap actually reduces the trigger reach significantly and makes the gun a ton more comfortable to hold. note the open backstrap: w/ most loads, especially up to run of the mill factory loads this is not a problem. but when i put in one of my nuclear-option loads (any 357 mag handload), i note the gun will actually start stinging my hand after about the first cylinder. also w/ grips... checkered grips may tear your hand up a little, but you will get great control over the gun, increasing speed of accurate follow up shots. smooth grips are a little more comfortable to shoot and for damned sure more comfortable to carry (checkering is certainly not comfortable for carry... and sometimes will grab your cover garment, too). as for ruger's factory rubber/wood grips... they do just fine. nothing special w/ them either way. btw... a 357 can be a mighty accurate gun. my cast 158 handloads will punch soda bottles at 100 yards w/ factory open sights. my 686 is sighted in for 50 yards, and i have made quite a few small game kills w/ it beyond the 100 yard mark (on purpose, on the first shot). if this is to be primarily a carry piece, i would urge you to look for a different gun... |
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Posted: 10 January 2009 at 04:06 |
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I'll bet a dollar to a dead rat yer gonna wind up with either a 4" or a 6" barrel. It'll just depend on which one feels best to you. Go stainless & full underlug also. Foo |
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Posted: 10 January 2009 at 04:42 |
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4" barrel is pretty universal. 6" barrel doesn't balance as nice, but would be an asset if you are stuck in a tree looking to kill a pig. for open carry, in and out of the truck, and general moving around, you will find the 6" barrel would be a hassle. guess my reccomendation for your purposes is a 4" barrel. agree on the full underlug. good luck! |
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Posted: 10 January 2009 at 08:14 |
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Great Guns G100's very relieable, and most are accurate. A bit heavy, but as you don't plan to carry it so what. You will be pleased with this weapon. MM |
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Posted: 12 January 2009 at 07:22 |
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I have had a gp100 4" for many years and it is a great gun. As everyone has said it is to big and heavy for a CCW but for a general purpose carry and a shooting gun it is hard to beat. I have some light 38 special loads for mine that I have used to teach a number of people to shoot with. The double action trigger pull is heavy but that can be correted with some after market springs. If you get a chance at a good price I recommend the gun.
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