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Topic: practical knife for self defense
Posted By: TasunkaWitko
Subject: practical knife for self defense
Date Posted: 03 August 2003 at 17:04

i've got a co-worker who has been having problems with a guy, nothing that can be called dangerous or even stalking, of course...at least, that's how the authorities see it. however, i have serious concerns. he's definitely not right in the head, and reminds me of a cross between hannibal lechter and a wolf sizing up a lamb at the edge of a herd of sheep. he has approached and propositioned her several times in spite of her very clear attempts to get the point across that she is not interested.

i would prefer that she have a means of defending herself rather than wait for something to happen before the police can act on it. a handgun/pistol is not a realistic option for several reasons, the main (but not the only) one being that she is not quite 18 yet (yes, this guy IS that stupid).

training in martial arts would be the best choice, of course, but since we don't have a martial arts board, does anyone out there care to recommend a knife that she might think about for self-defense? something to either use to scare a potential attacker away, or, more imprtantly, actually be able to use in the event that it must be used?

i have heard of very-thin bladed knives, stilletos, really, that are whippy enough to be slipped under a belt, but stong enough to perform. i was thinking of a knife that could be worn in a sheath on her ankle or something. or perhaps in the small of her back. i don't suppose a ka-bar would be practical, but there's gotta be something out there.



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TasunkaWitko - Chinook, Montana

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Posted By: Kingpin
Date Posted: 05 August 2003 at 11:02
Tash, a push dagger that also acts like a belt buckle is a nice choice and could even be labeled as designer. They're a little expensive if you get a custom job, but well worth it. Of course you DO realize that unless she takes a course in knife fighting, pulling a knife could be a bad move. I carry a benchmade switchblade, but am not proficient with it. I mainly carry it to mutilate the corpse by cutting off it's ear...LOL. Seriously, knife fighting is a sport unto itself, and if she is going to carry one, get her to take lessons in the art. I once witnessed a fight between a little guy who had NO weapon of any kind and a rather large biker type who carried a large custom Randal. He pulled it on the little guy, and the little guy saw it, was overly familiar with knife fighting (which the biker wasn't) and fed the bikers knife to him. In short the little guy disarmed him and killed him with his own knife. Only one witness had to testify and the forensic pathologist came to the stand and agreed with the witness and stated that the little guy acted properly. Bingo!!! Case closed. Get her some knife lessons...........Kingpin

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There are times when a normal man must, spit in his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.


Posted By: maxpressure
Date Posted: 05 August 2003 at 11:07
In this situation the best knife would be a very small single bladed pocketknife on a key chain in the pocket of her father/brother/cousin/co-worker/friend who would not think of it at all while he/they were whaling the stuffings out of the miscreant in question. After the victim regained sight and hearing he could then be reasoned with without resorting to violence or exposing the lady to a concealed weapons charge. Is this a trick question??????????max


Posted By: NH_Hunter
Date Posted: 05 August 2003 at 13:12

If i were her, i would get a bowie knife . A K-Bar (SP?) would probably work too. If it works in the military, it will work for you

NH_Hunter



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Posted By: SteelyEyes
Date Posted: 05 August 2003 at 13:18
A box cutter. Easy to conceal in your hand, easy to open, razor sharp. You can cut to the bone with one in a flash.


Posted By: NH_Hunter
Date Posted: 05 August 2003 at 13:23

Isn't the boxcutter a weapon used by the terrorists in the 9/11 hijackings?

NH_Hunter



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Leverguns make me smile
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Posted By: TasunkaWitko
Date Posted: 05 August 2003 at 13:51

nh - it was, and it was obviously (and unfortunately) successful.

steely - good suggestion. i think i might just go with that.

max - no, this isn't a trick question.

kp - i read you loud and clear on the skills of knife fighting. the asshole looks like the type to wilt at the least bit of resistance, and is only brave when he thinks his "victim" is helpless.

update on the situation - it looks like he has gotten himself fired over the latest incident (which was flat-out sexual harassment). as i just said, he is a pretty weak sister once his fangs have been pulled, so this will probably be the end of it. i will keep all informed......

 



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TasunkaWitko - Chinook, Montana

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Posted By: NH_Hunter
Date Posted: 05 August 2003 at 15:33

I think learning knife fighting would be fun and useful. I also want to work on throwing knives

NH_Hunter



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Leverguns make me smile
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Posted By: CB900F
Date Posted: 05 August 2003 at 16:07

Tasunk;

Unfortunately, she's going to need to be aware for the next coupla years.  This geek sounds exactly like the type that  waits for anniversery dates when enough time has passed that the supposedly helpless victim has forgotten all about him (it).

It's also unfortunate that all too often, the delay tactic works.  I sincerely hope that she gets some solid instruction on self defence & situational awareness.  Either that or her big brother takes him out and teaches him manners.

900F



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Birth certificate!? He don't need no steenkink birth certificate!!


Posted By: SteelyEyes
Date Posted: 05 August 2003 at 16:24
My daughter took a self defense class in college and really liked it. It included two full contact sessions with the instructor in full padding. She took it pretty seriously and really kicked some butt. The instructor said that any regular person that messed with her would regret it. She's going to take a refresher again this year. That's just the combat sessions.


Posted By: Kingpin
Date Posted: 05 August 2003 at 16:28
Actually Tash, a good old country ass whipping sounds like it would be in order. The only thing that is mandatory is that you remove yourself from the ass whipER so many times that you'll be sure that he doesn't know you, and the ass whipEE won't know what to tell the cops on his way to the hospital. Might cost a little, but it's better than paying the hospital bill and the ass whipee will get the best education that he's gotten in a long while with something to think about while he's in traction for a couple of months. Just a few thoughts on the matter........Kingpin

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There are times when a normal man must, spit in his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.


Posted By: TasunkaWitko
Date Posted: 05 August 2003 at 16:37

kp -

you should come to montana in order to view the cherry blossoms. they really are something to see at this time of year.....bring a couple of friends, if you like....



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TasunkaWitko - Chinook, Montana

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Posted By: Deputy Al
Date Posted: 06 August 2003 at 06:42

Ron and Company--

I like Kingpin's take on the issue.  A lot.  I'm going to sound like some sort of curmudgeon here, but I agree with Col. Jeff Cooper's assertion that we do indeed live in The Age Of The Wimp.  One of the side effects of this generalized societal weakness is the perception on the part of cretins like stalkers and their ilk that their invasions of privacy and decency will not be effectively countered.  In my 25+ years in this business, I have seen cases like this skyrocket in numbers.

Why izzat?  EASY--predators like this feel comfortable pulling these shenanigans in our societal environment--because very few of them have big brothers or cousins or friends of their victims kick their asses, out of fear of legal ramifications. 

Solutions?  Well, Kingpin's answer has style and class and street justice elements that recommend it highly.  While I cannot professionally recommend such an approach, seeing a stalker get his ass soundly kicked earns the silent approval of cops every time.  Most of us got into this bizness because of our disgust with bullies and their depredations.  One such case I had in 1995 ultimately ended up with the violent stalker getting 4 of 6 hollow-points installed in his mainframe by the victim via Dad's K-38 when he attacked her in her parents' home.  Predator dead, victim finally safe from his attacks.  A win/win. 

The long term solution is for victims of such depredations to take charge of their own environment, and that is the advice I give to victims of such crimes.  ZERO TOLERANCE for EVERY such incursion, and the mindset to protect one's self at any level of attack.  Often, when a victim enrolls in an Aikido class or visits a pistol range, the effects of simply taking those steps has a transformational outcome on both the victim and the suspect.  Victims need to make themselves less attractive as victims, basically--stop acting like a victim and start acting like a viable adversary.  These cretins are basically bullies, and all a bully needs is periodic ass kickings to keep them at a respectful distance.



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Deputy Al


Posted By: SteelyEyes
Date Posted: 06 August 2003 at 08:44
That's some good logic and sound advice, Deputy Al.


Posted By: NH_Hunter
Date Posted: 06 August 2003 at 08:55

Hey Ron and Kingpin, ill bring my freind Louisville Slugger along for the party!  Can my hunting knife come along too so i can have my first lesson?

NH_Hunter



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Leverguns make me smile
Proud Left Handed Shooter


Posted By: TasunkaWitko
Date Posted: 06 August 2003 at 11:49

al - very good advice, and i will be recommending it to her.

 



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TasunkaWitko - Chinook, Montana

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Posted By: norse
Date Posted: 06 August 2003 at 19:00

NH,

I have had the unfortunate exp. of being in a number of street fights growing up in  the "Slumburbs of Detroit"

I will give you a couple points to insure your life.

Throwing a knife of any kind is committing suicide. Its not like in the movies. First of all you are giving up a VERY valuable weapon. Second, odds are you will not cause fatal or even serious damage. Just to give you an Idea, next time you harvest an animal, be it pig or deer, stand 10 ft away and throw your best knife at it. You will be surprised at the lack of penetration. Trust me, it is a much better weapon in your hand. It ALWAYS works in the movies, but real life is much diff.



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They will ALWAYS be your children, but they wont ALWAYS be kids. TREASURE EVERY MOMENT.


Posted By: norse
Date Posted: 06 August 2003 at 19:04

Tash,

Where do you live???

I have over 750 brothers that will make sure she is SAFE if she is in the right area. Would be more then happy to help. let me know.



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They will ALWAYS be your children, but they wont ALWAYS be kids. TREASURE EVERY MOMENT.


Posted By: TasunkaWitko
Date Posted: 06 August 2003 at 19:16
smack in the center of montana, which makes me far away from all kinds of things. agree with you 100% on the knife-throwing. like you said, you're giving away the only chance u got to stay alive.....

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TasunkaWitko - Chinook, Montana

Helfen, Wehren, Heilen
Die Wahrheit wird euch frei machen


Posted By: Irish Bird Dog
Date Posted: 04 February 2010 at 18:32
this is a very ancient post but why didn't someone get her a pepperspray?????  even hairspray might work to blind the a**hole and delay his attack.  Now the young lady is maybe 24 and hopefully was SAFE all these intervening years.

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Posted By: Muleskinner
Date Posted: 05 February 2010 at 13:25
In my state, a knife carried as a weapon is illegal.  They're all "tools" if you know what's smart.  We don't have CCW licenses, we have CHL licenses (Concealed Handgun License).  Even in self defense, using a blade can get you in trouble if it is determined that you were carrying it as a weapon to begin with.   Of course, getting killed because you don't have a weapon can even be more troublesome.

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Mule


Posted By: Kingpin
Date Posted: 24 February 2010 at 11:44
Pepper spray has been proven to enrage attackers unless you can get it DIRECTLY in the eyes. Stunn guns work, but the trouble is, you have to have it in your hand exactly when the violent attack occurs. A TASER is a good choice, but again, you have to be ready. If you choose to fight with a knife, be prepared to bleed some yourself. Again, throwing a knife is a mistake. Personally, I pack a snubnose .38. I don't like getting cut, I don't like breathing my own pepper spray, and I don't like carrying a stun gun because it looks too much like a cell phone, which I detest. The best way is to have it done cleanly by someone so removed from the situation that it is impossible to connect him. Also, if the asswhipping option is used, it should be permanent, making the asshole wheel chair bound for life.................................Kingpin

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There are times when a normal man must, spit in his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.


Posted By: Kingpin
Date Posted: 06 October 2010 at 14:07
UPDATE!!! I just found out that many wasp sprays are very effective. They spray a stream about 20' and can be very effective on idiots, up to and including paraylization temporarily until the cops arrive. It's not premeditated, because anyone can have trouble with wasps. Keep a can handy by each door and maybe even one in the car. The cans are big, and I would think too large to carry in the average purse...............Kingpin+

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There are times when a normal man must, spit in his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 07 October 2010 at 03:03
Kp, what happens if the cop that arrives is a female officer with a Savage shotgun????LOL


Posted By: Kingpin
Date Posted: 04 November 2010 at 09:52
Probably just laugh, the gun was built broke..................Kingpin

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There are times when a normal man must, spit in his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.


Posted By: Muleskinner
Date Posted: 04 November 2010 at 23:52

Here's my choice:



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Mule


Posted By: RobertMT
Date Posted: 05 November 2010 at 07:07

Here's my choice

Same size and a lot more effective too.



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Posted By: Muleskinner
Date Posted: 05 November 2010 at 10:21
Hell, that pistol can't hold more than one of them big cartridges.  I bet the recoil is hell!

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Mule


Posted By: JUSTN A. MURKAN
Date Posted: 20 November 2010 at 04:02
Originally posted by RobertMT RobertMT wrote:

Here's my choice

WOW,,,that ride takes only ""1"" quarter!!!what a bargin!!!!!

what about that keychain thing that looks like a square cat face,,two fingerholes,I mean eye holes,,,and nice big pointy ""EARS ""

KEYKAT I think it's called

Same size and a lot more effective too.



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If,,in the end all I have is my honor......it will be enough!


Posted By: RobertMT
Date Posted: 20 November 2010 at 10:45

Originally posted by Muleskinner Muleskinner wrote:

Hell, that pistol can't hold more than one of them big cartridges.  I bet the recoil is hell!

You should only need one shot though, right?  Kind of like those .410 derringers, four OOO buckshot per shot, who could practice with it much though.

In MT a knife (blade length over legal 2 3/4") carried concealed is a felony, a pistol a misdemeanor (without permit or in prohibited area), choice is clear cut to me.



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Want to stop Drunk Drivers, from Killing Sober Drivers? Ban Sober Drivers from Driving. That's how Gun Control Works.

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