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    Posted: 24 September 2006 at 16:22

if i remember right, someone released a line of bullets earlier this eyar that had pointed tips, but they were soft (maybe even squishy!) for loading in tubular magazines. evidently, you are able to get several advantages (aerodynamics, accuracy, etc.) without the danger of a chain-fire.

has anyone else heard of these? has anyone tried these?

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote waksupi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 September 2006 at 16:38
Never tried them personally. But, I do recall a web wide search about a year ago, looking for anyone, or any reference, to pointed bullets actually setting off other cartridges in the magazine. It was zero, zip, nada. Not one documented case could be found. Another old wives tale? 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Rob1 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 September 2006 at 16:58

 It's Hornady  http://www.hornady.com/story.php?s=198

It could be a wives tale.  Whether or not it is I think most believe it and that could be why we never here of a chain fire, nobody tries it. Personally I wouldn't want to be the first.

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BTW, Hornady has recalled some of the ammunition (Leverrevolution) in .30/30. here's the link:http:////www.hornady.com/story.php?s=439

I tend to think the "no pointed bullets in tube magazines" dates to the black powder era. If it isn't confined, smokeless will simply burn. It will pop the bullet from the case, and maybe propel the primer a couple of feet, if that much. BP will explode.

Never set off metallic  centerfire ammo, but I have used shotshells as airgun plinking targets. A hit on the primer will sometimes burn the powder charge and split the side of the case, but that is all it does.

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I have a box of the 30/30 Leverevolution ammo sitting in front of me. I had
to check the lot #. mine is 3060385. This is the first 30/30 ammo I have
found in this cal. Still no luck finding .35 Rem. The 45/70 and .450 Mag has
been what is on the shelf. No .444 to be found either.
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Thoughts,

I agree that the "chain fire" is a wives tale.  But the soft lead of most lever cartridges does get "battered in multi tube firings.  I often load pointed bullets in my lever guns, but only load two (who needs more for hunting).

My group of hunter/friends are now using the Leverovolution in 30-30, 35  Remington, and 450 Marlin.  Accuracy is very good, velocity at muzzle is higher.  All my guys will be hunting them this year (kills will be reported). 

Two somewhat negatives: higher velocity means more energy, but little change in trajectory at lever action ranges.  And the points DO smash upon firing with 4 or more shells in the tube.

 

Overall the increased energy makes these a winner for many hunting situations.  I personally do not understand the need for more energy in the 450 Marlin when used for deer????

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regarding the new hornady bullets, i have yet to see them sold as reloading components rather than attached to boxes of loaded ammo. has anyone found them anywhere?
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Taz;

I'm always looking in the fliers put out by Midway, Natchez, etc., and I've not seen any of the "leverevolution" bullets listed as a component part in any of them.

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There wa a good artical in eithe rRifle or Handloader last year, covering all this. It pretty much debuncked the pointed bullet settting off  around  in the tube theory. In fact they built some units off and made the things go off to look at the damage that might occur. Pretty minimal as I recalled.

Personnally I am not looking for any additional distance advantage that the Leverlution(sp) might give,as I usually hunt in areas that offer less than 50-60 yd shots at elk and I likethe flat ended bulets for more frontal diameter.

Nor do I beleive that these new bullets actually give you any more distance capability. They sure don't deliver any more energy, adnif one know sthere firearm and is proficient with it , they can hit anything with the flat nose that they think they can hit with the pointy bullets.

Sort of like arguing how much better spitzer boatails are  out to 300 yds  vs roundnose bullets. If you check them, you won't find much difference. Forget the ballistic tables  go out and shoot some.  

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I have fought many a house fire, very first one I went to as a firefighter had a footlocker full of reloading stuff including loaded ammo going off just as I crawled in the front door scared the piss outta me, ten years later I found I was a lot more concerned with aresol cans than ammo, I did get hit with a shell case once but it was no big deal, if its not confined in a chamber its not gonna go anywhere far or very fast.

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Hornady has stated that they will have the leverevolution bullets for reloaders when they have satisfied the current demand for loaded ammunition, they figure that they will be caught up and ready to have them for reloaders in about  a year or so.
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