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    Posted: 22 February 2014 at 06:49

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This hunting season, my son got a rude awakening regarding his self defense pistol.  It was cold enough late in the season that he was wearing gloves when downing a couple of animals.  In one case, the deer was down, but needed a finishing shot to the head & he used the Springfield XD he was carrying.  But it needed three tries to fire.  Seems that when you're wearing gloves the grip safety doesn't always disengage & allow the gun to shoot.  He tested it with a couple of pairs of gloves to make sure that it was a consistent glove problem.

Needless to say, the gun is gone.  Therefore, we're looking for a replacement .40 S&W concealed carry gun.  The single design factor that is not up for argument is that it can't have a "G" as the first letter of the name, and it can't have any version of a "safety trigger/action".  Which lets out the S&W M&P, and any other hinged or bladed trigger system.  I'm trying to think of the pistols that do meet the requirements.  There's SIG, and H&K, and some Ruger's I think, but am having a frain bart concerning the rest.  Well I suppose Taurus will have something also.

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Bag the .40 S&W. Get a 1911 in .38 Super or .45. Seeing more folks going
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bag the 40 and get a 9mm.

Bough my M39 in '67. shot it a lot after my drat notice came. Haven't shot it much in the last 15 years and 'loaned' it to the son.

Brought it to Fl for car gun and hog hunting.

last week got in a shoot down on metal target with some police friends. I surprised my self. can't shoot with 2 eyes as the right one gives double vision and that thing about shooting the middle target one doesn't really work.

That gun actually got more accurate in the last 30 years.

no trigger safety, nor backstrap/grip safety,,,single and double action with exposed hammer and aluminum frame.
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No, it's going to be a .40 S&W.  The little dot at the end of the first sentence is a period. 

Did have the FN line of pistols brought to my attention as well as the Beretta Cougar.  However, the Cougar has a slide mounted safety/operating lever & that's a PIA.  Learned that with a Ruger P85 a long time ago.

BEAR if you ever have a chance to pick up a Smith model 39 with the ASP conversion done to it, get it.  It won't be cheap though.

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CB could see no improvement with the ASP conversion, shorter barrel, but no racking grooves. no front sight and the triangle grooved rear is from Hadies.

James Bond might have liked it, but that bond book was a phony, not even written my Ian Flemming! might have collectable value, but not my style. like cutting up a 1911...it ain't the same.

playing with a full frame auto, never makes it a compact.
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What is it you don't like about the trigger safety? I always thought it looked like a weak point that would have to be a problem sometime, but I got a S&W Shield a couple of years ago for a carry gun and have shot probably 1500 to 2000 rounds through it without any problem from the trigger.

It did loose the "white dot" out of the front sight and one of the rear sight but that should be easy to fix with a little white fingernail polish.

The rest of the story. I still carry a model 60 S&W. For one thing, It is a .357 mag. second it is a revolver. (No Brass left behind) Not too much thinking to do under a stressful situation like flicking off a safety. and best of all, it is easier to conceal than an auto.

That being said, I do like my shield.

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BEAR;

I've never owned or shot an ASP, but have seen one at a gun show.  I don't remember a Bond book featuring it either, but then after Ian Fleming died, I don't think I read any of 'em either.  I do seem to remember one being in a book, but not a Bond book.  In any case, I thought it was a pretty slick deal for concealed carry back then.  They had a reputation as being reliable.

Wing, I don't find a revolver easier to carry.  My first concealed gun was one & when I switched to the H&K I got a lot happier.

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Well,

Maybe I will give that Shield another shot. What kind of holster do you use?

With a revolver I use an inside the waistband holster and pants about a size too big.

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tanfoglio's gotta make a .40 .  i have two.  a .41ae and one that was originally a 10mm.  both as comfortable a firearm in my hand as i've owned and reasonably priced.

bersa's got a thunder40.  i've a thunder380 and thunder45.  a solid compact semi-auto for the price.

thought i read charter arms was going to start producing their pitbull in rimless rounds (9mm, .40), no moonclips needed.  not sure if they're up or of their function.  my 9mmfederal and .327fedmag function fine but i've never seen their rimless offerings.  if you're just looking for a bullet to the head of an animal that needs a finisher, there's few things more fool proof then a revolver.

 

 

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I use a Milt Sparks Executive's companion IWB holster.  When I got the H&K in the 90's, I bought the Exec's & belt from Sparks at the same time.  Carried the revolver for another three months waiting for the Sparks units to show up.  Used that holster for 17 years.  I got another belt in the meantime from a local supplier who's just as good, on belts.  Last year I went back to Milt Sparks & ordered another Executive's Companion because it's comfortable for me.  Long lasting too, absolute top quality materials & workmanship, no reason to go anywhere else.  No, they're not cheap, but amoratize over the life of the holster & they don't cost very much at all.

Klallen, thanks for that tip, I should have thought of it myself since I run CZ rimfire rifles.  The Tanfoglio's nothing more than a CZ 75 made in Italy.  After Jeff Cooper put his halo over the CZ 75, demand for the guns skyrocketed.  The problem was supply since at the time CZ's were made behind the Iron Curtain & not importable.  I believe the EAA Witness was essentially the same thing.  Both created to get around the import restrictions of the time.  In this case, we'd go to the original source, CZ.

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After perusing the CZ catalog, the 75 P-06 looks to be a viable candidate.  Now finding one is going to be an adventure in the wilds of outer Montana.

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Sounds like an oportunity to spend a lot of your spare time in the local gun shops. My problem with that is I would end up spending quite a bit of that time in the rifle section and that usually leads to a new rifle.

Not all bad I guess.

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Amazing the large stock of used pistol the gun shops seem to have?
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Well, the boy is in Seattle this week training for his new job.  I told him to check out the CZ pistols & try to find a rental range that had 'em.  Haven't heard back, but I'd be real surprized to hear that it couldn't get done.

Checking on-line, the CZ compact pistols seem to be getting very good reviews, both the 9 & the .40.  Not too sure I'd like the recoil of the .40 in any of the sub-compacts it's offered in, such as the Khar & CZ RAMI.

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What's wrong with the "G". I always use the 10MM and have killed deer with it out to 60 yards. The FN is a nice piece of equipment as well.
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Fella's;

He's got a CZ75 compact in .40 on order.  There was a gun shop in Seattle that had CZ's & he liked the feel of the grip a lot.  The safety/operating lever was exactly the right size & in the right place as well.  That shop also has a sister business that custom makes leather, so they're going to do an IWB for him.  They didn't have the exact model in stock though, so that's coming to the local LGS we use, at a better price too.  The Seattle store did have the CZ P-07, and at $485.00!  New, not used.

Now it's just waiting for the gun to show up, maybe a week, & probably a month for the holster.

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Originally posted by soggyshooter soggyshooter wrote:

Bag the .40 S&W. Get a 1911 in .38 Super or .45. Seeing more folks going
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Mule;

Saw your post about getting a new gun yourself.  Might want to try the CZ's & see what you think.

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