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Was hunting yesterday with my brothers and a few of our sons. Got 21 pheasants. My son got a jam, he had loaded a 16 guage into a 12 guage; and the second shot jammed against it. Simple cure. And lecture. But he was using one of my 870s. Naturally the brother rivalry showed up and my two brothers started to hurang the pump guns. I shoot an 870 super lightweight 870; and had killed the most birds. The group had 2-870s and browning superposed, skb O/U, off-brand O/U, and a Benulli. My position was that the 870 pump was probably the most reliable shotgun still being made. I can't think of any break action double that could challenge it. And most autos (take the 1100/11-87 as the best) would not be as dependable. Any thoughts? BEAR |
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hivolt
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Posted: 29 November 2008 at 07:07 |
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Oh Boy Bear, your looking for an argument, Pump guns are some of the best for hunting, Model 12 Winnie is the cream of the crop IMOP, followed by a 37 Ithaca, I personally have never cared for Remington shotguns because of the fit, but hey a good shotgun for the shooter is one that fits him well and shoots where he is looking, If a shooter gets those two things in a gun he will always claim its the best gun ever made, as he should because he will shoot it better than most every other gun and have tons more confidence with it. I will hang with my Brownings,
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Posted: 29 November 2008 at 10:06 |
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Well, I was sort of thinking only on reliability issues. The doubles have more close fit parts and more hardened parts to break. Autos have gas ports to clog and o-rings to dry out. I've got lots of shotguns including some nice reliable single shots, hammerless. But still got to think that pumps require only your bicep to operate. I've got a Win model 12 in 16 guage, nice gun. But they quit making the model 12 decades ago. Im thinking if you wanted to buy a new gun today and shoot say, 250,000 rounds with oout a break down or a repair (assume hunting conditions) I figure only a pump could do that. And the 870 is the cream of the crop of present pump shotguns IMO. |
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Posted: 29 November 2008 at 17:34 |
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I agree with you Bear. I have a couple of 870's that have had alot (and I mean alot) of shells shot through them. One of my 870's my dad bought around 1956. According to the many stories I have heard all my life, this gun must have an unbelieveable amount of shells down the tube. Then when my son was in junior high and high school we shot on a trap team for 5 years. He used "grandpa's" 870. That was a bunch more shells. It still works every time. Another pump I have is my grandpa's model 31 Remington. This one wasn't cleaned very often and has been shot alot. It doesn't fit the part about still being made, but it has the smoothest action of any pump I have ever shot. Like hivolt said, this one must fit pretty well. I can shoot it better than any other shotgun I have. I try to take this one out hunting at least one time each year. Still functions like new. Now that you mention it, I think I will call my son and have him come over and pick up dad's old 870. I think it is time to pass it on. Wing master |
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I have always considered myself to be quite the bullshitter, But ocasionally it is nice to sit back and listen to a true professional......So, Carry on.
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Posted: 30 November 2008 at 00:10 |
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Winchester Mod 12 and the 1300.
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Posted: 30 November 2008 at 02:18 |
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Either the 870 or a 500 Mossberg are about as reliable as you can get. I own both and have fired thousands of rounds through both without so much as a hiccup. The Mossys have an annoying forearm rattle that I know for a fact is heard by deer at 150 yds but I prefer the tang safety on the 500 to the cross bolt safety on the 870. Kind of a toss up until you get to the high grade 870s then fit and finish rule. RD
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Montana Maddnes
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Posted: 30 November 2008 at 14:22 |
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Wing master has killed more birds than I can count and that is also what I shot trap with for some 20 years. I have never had a break down with any 870 I have owned. Modle 12's My father has collected them for years. Never remember him having a break down either. Mossburg500's Never owned one but know guys who use them and have never heardd of them breaking down either. I love the pump guns!! My superposed Browning has never failed either.And the Jap Citori copy that Browning makes are fine guns also. Ruger Red lable's seem to work just fine. Dad has a few and likes them just fine. I have not shot them. MM |
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Posted: 30 November 2008 at 18:30 |
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Model 97 Winchester older then most all of them and I never seen one yet that was a basket case even well worn they shoot and shoot and shoot.
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Well, I love my model 1100 Remingtons for the hunting of quail, they are tops in the semi-auto shotgun bracket. Now you can't beat a model 870 Remington pump gun for various types of hunting like turkey on the menu, if you can shoot a pump gun. Lets face facts shall we, a Mossbert 500 pump gun is my pick for waddin water for ducks , it's cheap accurate and no hearts are broken if you should slip and drop that gun in waist high water. If your speaking of over/under's, the argument will heat up fast but I like my Weatherby's and Brownings both a bunch. They are safer to hunt with, especially with lots of folks spread out across a field and dogs in front. |
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Posted: 09 December 2008 at 16:45 |
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Shotguns are special purpose as we all know. As far as shotguns go, I have 1 870 12 ga wingmaster, 1 1897 Win, 3 model 12's, a Greener 12 ga live pigeon gun and a couple of A-5's, a Rem 10 ga auto, and an 1100. All have seen extended use by me. Now, for a fighting shotgun, the 870 is what I would take to war. I really love and use the hell out of my 1100, but nothing gives me nore satisfaction than shooting my Greener. The 10 Ga hasn't been used much, and never by me, but I own it. The A-5's were gifts and I never used them much, cosmetically, they don't appeal to me but they are bangers for sure. The 1897 won me a couple slabs of ribs last fall. The model 12 12 Ga is a trap gun. (I use the greener and the 1100 for skeet). The other 2 model 12's are a 20 ga, and a 16 ga. Jesus Christ, ask a simple question and I talk about everything but! Now the answer, I believe the 870 will be around for a long time, it works and is reliable as hell. No matter where you go there are parts for it and someone can fix it......................................Kingpin
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Posted: 09 December 2008 at 16:55 |
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KP, I'm assuming Mossbergs are Savages in shotgun form in your world order?
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Posted: 10 December 2008 at 03:06 |
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When steel shot was mandated for ducks, I gave up hunting with my Italian made (Zoli) SBS 12. Bought a Mossberg 12 pump with a c-lect choke, sort of a throw aways for $60. Have had that gun for about 35 years. if has killed mosre ducks/turkeys/geese than my model 12 or any of my many 870s. It is a POS, but gets it done. The blueing was so thin and the steel so poor that it rusted everytime I took it out (except for the alloy receiver). In six months of use I broke down and spray painted it with automotive lacquer. The stock had swollen a whole size so I sanded it back into shape and painted it with Lexington green house paint. This was way before camo stocks. Gun it still around and still works. Had to replace all parts except the bolt, Mossberg cahrged me $50 to rebuild it. But a great gun for the money and it will and does get a lot of people hunting..year after year. BEAR PS guess I should mention I forgot the paddles one day and used the butt stock to paddle into a swanp in the dark for a morning duck hunt. Edited by BEAR |
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Posted: 19 December 2008 at 06:10 |
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Mossburgs are Ok I grudgingly relent, but I don't have a place for them in my collection. Since I have a lot of shotguns, I can afford to wait for something classic. No offence meant to you guys who shoot the savages and mossburgs.............Kingpin
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Model 37 Winchester comes to mind--but my 14 guage double percussion gun has fewer moving parts. Much more fun to hunt with, too. I've used a reproduction percussion double 10 with chrome-lined barrels for ducks for the last 12 years; it hits as hard as a modern 12. Biggest problem is when the wind isn't blowing; you have to see whether something flies or falls out of the smoke cloud before you can decide on a follow-up shot. I keep a battered old humpback Browning under the front deck, though, in case of a too-lively cripple--it takes too long to get a water-swat off if you're restoking a front-stuffer. Gotta respect the game! mind yer topknots! windy
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I have a single flint 20 guage that I use for ducks. Yes, the smoke is tough to see hits with. I listen for the splash.
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Wichester Model 1400 MKll 12 guage 3 shot auto ist shotgun bought it at JM Fields. had it 33 years.
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I have an 870 and a Super X Model 1, they are dependable as all get out. Jerry |
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Posted: 15 March 2009 at 04:48 |
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Isn't the wincherster model 37 a single with a "semi-hammer"?
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Bear; Yes it is. There's only about 4 or 5 moving parts in the whole thing. 900F |
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I like singles and had one years ago. the hammer was made like a safety and was real easy to cock (felt like a rubber band was in there). sort of dumped it, as I didn't think the hammer had enough purchase during cocking or releasing the hammer. I have a few Savage model 320 which are hammerless but have a real sliding tang safety, love them; most in 12 guage or 16. Would like a 20 guage, but price is thru the ceiling
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