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Spot shooter
Left BSB in Disgrace
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Joined: 19 June 2003
Location: Bahrain
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Posted: 24 June 2003 at 16:55 |
I draw the line for whitetails between a 25-06, and a 7-08. 308 is the first real cartridge I like.
Spot
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macca
.416 Rigby
AKA The Thunder From DownUnder
Joined: 10 June 2003
Location: Australia
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Points: 1149
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Posted: 24 June 2003 at 18:15 |
Rob 1,if you read my posts on long range hunting you will see I like to minimise the risk.I know you can kill just about anything with anything if you get close and put the bullet in the right place.I have used the .17 rem cal to cull a wide range of animals.
The first criteria for a shooter is to be able to put the bullet where it counts.Second and equally important is choosing the correct projectile for the game.I have seen all calibers fail to do what they are supposed to on game.My thoughts are that a 284 or 30 cal will break bones and go on through most every time.I have seen the .224 cals deflect.I like to keep the odds on my side.
Having said that, if you are most comfortable with a 223 or 22-250 and can shoot it well and it isn't illegal then using it in preference to gut shooting something with a supermagnum is a sensible choice.My preference will always be a bit bigger.Have a good one macca.
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don't let the bastards grind you down.
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NH_Hunter
.416 Rigby
aka The Kid
Joined: 13 June 2003
Location: United States
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Points: 3508
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Posted: 25 June 2003 at 00:42 |
I think michigan lists all the legal calibers in their state. My personal minimum is the .30-30 because its all i got .
NH_Hunter
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Rob1
.416 Rigby
** The Walnut Whisperer **
Joined: 10 June 2003
Location: Vatican City State
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Points: 3413
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Posted: 25 June 2003 at 13:24 |
Macca
I really wasn't trying to make a case for or against small cartridge hunting. Whenever a long range discussion comes up there is seldom any middle ground, opinions are strong on both sides. When someone mentions small cartridges the majority suggest using a "appropriate" cartridge. I think a strong argument could be made that a short range hunter with a .22 hornet could equal or exceed the success of a long ranger ( so many different definitions so I'll say 500+yards.)
I was a little suprised to see so many that consider a .243 as too small. I think one has a good varmint/deer combo with that chambering. I would choose a 25-06 over it though as it's more versatile. Rob
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Spot shooter
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Joined: 19 June 2003
Location: Bahrain
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Posted: 25 June 2003 at 15:01 |
I think huntin with any bullet thet can't break bone and still cross the cavity is a bad move.
Spot
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Low Wall
.22 LongRifle
Joined: 20 June 2003
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Posted: 26 June 2003 at 14:35 |
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Michigan's only requirement for deer is that it be center fire. The bottom half of the state is shotguns only
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NH_Hunter
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aka The Kid
Joined: 13 June 2003
Location: United States
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Posted: 26 June 2003 at 14:40 |
Shotguns only!!!!! Ouch. Well, i guess that a shotty slug can go about as far as a ml bullet can out of a non-inline or my inline . Do they allow muzzleloaders or is it stricked no shotguns no hunting stuff.
NH_Hunter
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CB900F
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Honor, Integrity
Joined: 10 June 2003
Location: Eritrea
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Points: 8857
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Posted: 26 June 2003 at 16:54 |
Lawdog;
Last fall, October, I stopped by a taxidermist's shop just a coupla blocks down the streed from me. Shawn, the taxidermist, was skinning out a smallish black bear that had been field dressed. I got to talking with the young man, mid-to-late 20's that had brought the bear in.
He said that he'd been deer hunting but saw the bear get up about 200 yards out from him, higher on a hillside. Since he also had a bear tag, he took the shot & the bear went 10 yards & dropped. Said the bullet went in between two ribs just behind the shoulder, ripped up the lungs & stopped just under the offside ribs.
So I asked him what he shot the bear with. He replied that it was his .22-250 with a 55gr spire point. Did he get lucky? YES. Would I want to be his life insurance agent? NO!!
900F
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Birth certificate!? He don't need no steenkink birth certificate!!
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mr mom
.30/06 SpringField
Joined: 10 June 2003
Location: United States
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Points: 342
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Posted: 26 June 2003 at 17:06 |
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hey guys only the bottom part of the lower is the shotgun zone. the rest of the state you can use a rifle. but the rule says that you can shoot anything you want but not for deer season. we can woodchuck hunt with a 458 if we wanted to. alot of the guys use muzzleloaders in the shot gun zone . and alot of guy are useing hand guns. but they have to be straight wall. no t/c with 30/30 bdls. and dont knock shotgun and slugs. we have them with scopes and sabots. nasty holes. and you find some of the guys using 000 buck out of their goose guns.
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Low Wall
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Posted: 28 June 2003 at 15:56 |
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Mom, your right about the shotguns with scopes & sabots.
I am able to get 3 touching at about 70 yards which means I've got a 100 yard killer. Haven't shot a deer further than that.
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The_Mountaineer
.416 Rigby
** West BY-GOD Virginian! **
Joined: 02 July 2003
Location: United States
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Posted: 03 July 2003 at 07:44 |
Others have questioned the ability of small calibers as minimum for deer. While I agree that 243 is about minimum, in my opinion, I know of folks who have hunted with 22 calibers successfully on deer. Shot placement was critical - all head or neck shots. While I don't recommend it or suggest it, it has been done. I personally think a bigger problem is the suggestions of some manufacturers manufacturing 22 caliber bullets for deer. I've read a couple articles about hunting deer with rifles chambered for 223 and 22-250 shooting the manufacturer's bullets. Can't quite understand it! Why don't they market the more versatile calibers for Joe Hunter to use? If they did, Joe might not be dissatisfied with the manufacturer when he paunch shot a running deer at 500 yards!
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