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    Posted: 29 June 2003 at 12:42

Some talk about mercury recoil reducers.  Go to the following website for answers to all your questions.  Hope this helps.

http://www.98.net/chr/recoil.htm

Put one of these in your stock, a Pachmayr Decelerator pad on the butt, and an Accubrake on the barrel and you can drink tea while shooting your .375 H&H . . . long as you wear ear protectors! 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 June 2003 at 13:04

I've been considering one of these little #'s in my .416 RemMag.  Seems like a pretty straight forward install.  Haven't yet, cause I'm in the process of replacing that nasty hard rubber pad of the #1 with a softer, more forgiving pad of one make or another.  Got a couple choices I'm looking at that should make all the difference.  It was nice to see those suppressors are fairly reasonable on the check book.  I see where some claim a full pound added to the overall weight of a gun.  Not a bad thing either when you're looking to reduce a little felt recoil.  Interesting option to tame recoil.  Later.  >>  klallen

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 June 2003 at 13:15

They certainly are not an unknown to the gun makers.  I believe it is Benelli that put a space in their shotgun stocks to accomodate a bracket which holds a mercury recoil reducer.  Unknown to most rifle shooters, especially to those who have never shot a shotgun . . . those "turkeys" can hurt you - especially the "magnums!"  A day in the blinds with a 3 1/2" Magnum will make you wish for those days on the range with your .30-06 - a "girl's gun" by comparison.  Nice thing though, is that they reduce recoil rather economically and without the dang noise of a muzzle brake.

I think it is $48 well spent! 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 June 2003 at 13:23
A Pachmayr Decelerator is what Weatherby uses.  I guess that tells the story.  Add the Mercury Recoil Suppressor and that .416 is a "pussy cat" with a big "bite!"
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 June 2003 at 17:41

i have a merc tube in one of my 7 mags. don't go thinking it will stop all recoil, because it won't. in fact, it reduces recoil only a little. a good pad (decelerator, sims) does more to cut recoil than the tube.

they do help some, but it does not make a night and day difference. and, it will add a significant amount of weight to your gun - which isn't necessarily bad. they will also significantly alter the balance and feel of your gun, which might be a very bad thing.

as far as the 3.5" 12 gauges go... i love mine. great for geese. never shot a turkey w/ it, but have patterned enough of federal's premium turkey loads to know that 1- my shotgun has a very bad trigger for bench shooting, and 2- i can handle a lot more recoil than i thought i could.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 June 2003 at 17:52

btw, klallen... i've been eyeballing a couple of ruger #1's down at the shop on the used rack. one is in 375 (this is the one that interests me most), the other is a 416. just wondering what your thoughts are on your #1? i'm still debating whether to go w/ a #1, or to go w/ a repeater. a double is out of the question...

after handling them a little, i think they are very heavy, and that does put me off a little. if they were lighter, i'd probably already have one. i mean, there's no receiver, so why so heavy??? anyway, if you were to do it again, would you go repeater? how's the accuracy on your #1?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 June 2003 at 01:09

dakotasin is right they take up some but not much recoil. They do however through off the balance of the gun big time.  Older trap shooters use them - we usually shoot 300 rounds a day in competition so not flinchin gets to be a big deal.  If your shooting handycap from the 25 to 27 yard line it's critical. 

 Benelli is a great gun, they don't kick like most others.  With light shells the auto's kick harder with light shells then a berreta, however you go to the 3 1/2" Heavyshot Mag's and you'll be askin for the benelli.  Still can't figure that one out.  Oh - this ain't true of the Nova pump, and that's where those merc. are really use - Most benelli rep's won't recommend you shoot a 3 1/2 with out the surpressor. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 June 2003 at 14:20

 

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I’m a big time fan of C&H Research’s mercury reducers. Got them in all of my big bores from .375 H&H up to .450 Rigby. And they work, PERIOD. With them you can sit at the range and fire off 20 shots, off the bench, and not end up with sore shoulders or a case of the "flinches". I just ordered one for my .340 Weatherby. I haven’t tried any other brand but C&H so I won’t say about them but C&H works and you can do the work yourself and a heck of a lot cheaper than having a brake installed. Lawdog

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 June 2003 at 15:27
I recently saw a thread on this on a gunsmith forum. The general opinion was you could put lead in the stock, and have the same effect for less money.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 July 2003 at 08:49

I don't think anyone here spoke of mercury recoil suppressors thinking that they would "totally" eliminate felt recoil.  This would be a silly notion.  Muzzle brakes don't even do that.  Suppressors sure seem like a great, affordable option when fiddling with the recoil of big bores that have such low working pressures.

DAKOTASIN, when I first picked up my #1 .416 RemMag, my initial thoughts were totally the opposite of yours.  I thought the things could be a little heavier.  9 lbs. of rifle just seemed light for any .416 caliber cartridge.  And going lighter wasn't even a consideration.

I'm still fireforming .375 H&H cases into RemMag's.  No load development has been done for MAX or accuracy.  The load I'm using to fireform is over 4 grs. under Hornady MAX for their 400 gr. RN.  Running over the chrony, I'm already meeting what they claim to be MAX.  And in this #1, it gives ya about 62 ft. lbs. of recoil with every pull of the trigger.  Not shoulder breaking, by any means, but I'm happy all 9# of rifle is there.  I'm sure in a formed case, this velocity will drop a tad, but looking forward to seeing what this thing will do.

"anyway, if you were to do it again, would you go repeater?"  Certainly not.  I'm far from being against bolt action big bores but my RemMag couldn't have come alone at a more perfect time.  I've wanted a big bore and a #1 for a very long time.  Not often you can kill two birds with one stone like this at a price you're comfortable with.  I regret nothing about the purchase.  I'd love to have matching #1's in .458 Lott and .470 Chapstick.  Don't know if this little trio will ever come to pass, but I wouldn't count it out either.  The new #1's with that laminated stock and the ss barrels in the Lott are really tempting me.  Already 1/3 of the way there, possibly 2/3's real soon  ;o)  .

I do think that the CZ550 Magnums, like the one DEMPSEY has in .416 Rigby, are a great value for the money spent.  I like it a lot.  If you don't have heavy desires for a #1 (like I did), then this certainly might be the best way for you to go.  This is exactly the way that I "was" going, if my #1 hadn't come along when it did.  Anyway, no regrets.  I just like the lines and the look of the #1's.  Good luck to ya.  >>  klallen

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 July 2003 at 09:01
For what it's worth . . . I agree with KLALLEN about reducing recoil.  I don't think any ONE of these devices is the total answer [no pun intended Answer Products].  Many companies group things together to get certain results.  For example, Weatherby usually has Pachmayr Decelerator pads on rifles that have Accubrakes.  I would "add" a mercury recoil device to a Weatherby that had Accubrake and Pachmayr pad.  By the way, lead doesn't work unless it can move!  The movement of the mercury, instantaneously, is the key.  Note: they have to be correctly installed - at the correct angle.  AND . . . if all else fails, wear a PAST shoulder pad.  They work real good.  I have used one.  Great with a heavy recoiling shotgun.  If all that fails - downgrade!  You probably don't need that "RUM" anyway! 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 July 2003 at 09:04
91 degrees in Colorado Springs!  Geez!  Too much hot air coming out of south Montana! 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 July 2003 at 09:18
Hi LAWDOG . . . well, the real answer is that they are made in Kansas.  Good stuff comes from there . . . Roy Weatherby, Walter Beech, Cessna, Learjet . . . and ME! 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 July 2003 at 09:34

 

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You’re right about using a top brand recoil pad like the Pachmayr Decelerator, the one I use on all my rifles, along with a good mercury insert and together they will tame those kicking mules of big bores. I tried the bit about adding a lead weight to see if it would work just as well, IT DIDN’T. The mercury dampens the recoil where the lead weight just adds weight. I also tried filling the hole the mercury insert was in with #6 bird shot and it still didn’t work. This is why I’m sold on mercury inserts along with good brand name recoil pads. Lawdog

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 July 2003 at 09:37

#1's are some of the most beautiful rifles i have ever seen. Their lines are perfectly made. Did you guys know that the stock wasnt designed by Ruger? It was refined by some other guy who Ruger sent some of the blue prints to. The beauty of having the Ruger book. Pretty soon i may get the little cousin to the #1, the #3 carbine. here is a picture... damn the picture wont show up . Here is the link if you want to see the one i may get... http://www.gunsamerica.com/guns/976260174.htm.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 July 2003 at 14:40
When asked by customers whether they should buy a "mercury recoil reducer or a muzzle brake," I always tell them to start shooting a .22 rf and work themselves up to a caliber that they don't mind the recoil of. I have installed a number of recoil reducers (much to my dismay) and have always had satisfactory comments (also to my dismay) I have long held that if you choose a certain caliber, you ought to find it at the very least, pleasurable to shoot and then you can work on accuracy. I don't think about recoil too much, in my field, I find that recoil is relative. I recently shot a shoulder fired, recoil mitigation system, that fired a projectile that weighed 1 kg, that's right, 2.2 lbs. I fired it right after the guy in front of me got knocked on his ass, hard, and offered the guys who were trying to sell it, $100 if they could do the same for me. They couldn't, and upon firing it, had to admit that the recoil was substantial. I offered to shoot it again, but they declined on the grounds that they didn't bring enough ammo for anyone to shoot more than once. Reguardless of all this, I feel that mercury (a heavy toxic metal) has no place in the firearms world, except to clean bores of heavily leaded barrels. Muzzle brakes have no place other than on rifles of .50 BMG or heavier and artillery pieces. Shoot rifles for the joy of shooting them and leave the gimmics and ear busters to what they are intended for. Sorry guys, that's my take on things of this nature and I DO have quite a bit of experience with all of them...................Kingpin
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 July 2003 at 16:40

Now that you speak of it, KINGPIN, we might as well leave the brakes off of the BMG's, too.  Heck, in the typical 30# guns, it's only .460 WbyMag recoil levels in a 10# gun.

I don't have any brakes on my big game rifles.  Yet.  Just might be fitting the Warbird with one here real soon.?.?.?.?  Looking to rework a load with the 200 gr. AccuBonds.  Might get it installed before that process starts.  As for the LR varminters, that's the only brake I've got so far.  I love the Holland on my Laredo.  Makes the 7mm RUM a pleasure to shoot all day.  It's fun.  Later.  >>  klallen

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First things first, no one I know can shoot a box, (125 rounds) of .50 BMG without a brake, and without getting a bloody nose from the concussion. I have shot them for this many rounds, with a brake and gotten a bloody nose at around 75 rounds. My .50 is the only rifle in my extensive battery of heavy hitters that I have a brake on because I do NOT like broken collar bones, which I have had in the past, but not from rifles. I have a Warbird and have never considered putting a brake on it, as I have always found it quite pleasurable to shoot. Long range shooting is my way of saying to the targets, "Have a nice day." I shoot a lot of competition and can testify that brakes are NOT allowed on any of the matches that I shoot in except for the 1000 yd .50 BMG matches because it disturbs the other competitors. I know three fellows personally, that broke collar bones when shooting their big .50's without brakes on them. Also, BMG shooters do NOT use mercury recoil reducers, at least the ones that I know, and we are a small fraternity. Aside from my .50, all the other rifles that I own do NOT have brakes on them. Also, none of my shotguns (of which there are many) do not have recoil reducing ports. I don't consider myself manly or anything else along these lines for not wanting to "save myself from the dreaded recoil." Rather I consider myself a purist, and realize that recoil is Sir Isaak Newton's way of proving his point. He IS right you know? My field of expertice proves it on a daily basis. Additionally, I have shot a lot of varmints at ranges greater that anyone would believe, including a coyote in Tennessee at a shade over 1400 yds (but this was with my .50.) Personally, I don't consider recoil when I am buying OR building a rifle OR pistol. I have a few boomers for pistols too, including a Rem XP-100 in .308 Win, that I shoot full tilt rifle loads through. I have often considered guys who consider buying rifles that intimidate them because of recoil, foolish. On a personal basis, I am willing to shoot any rifle that I own, all day long as long as someone buys me the ammo to shoot it for as long as they want to see me beat myself up. Aside from my .22 rf's and my AR-15, all of my rifles start at .30 cal. and work themselves up to the .50 BMG. Aside from the BMG, none of them have brakes on them. Not a macho thing, rather the opposite, I enjoy shooting from a purist point of view. I have installed brakes for customers, installed mercury tubes for them, and weighted them for them too. For myself, I don't use gimmicks, rather, I use experience and a nice fitting rifle. If a rifle fits you properly and is not a rifle that borders on the edge of space, all the afore mentioned things are gimmiks. How many shots does a varmint hunter get off in a day? How many deer are you allowed to kill in a day? Granted, a lot of states have different rules, but I'll be damned if I would go to the added expense of installing a brake or tube for the possibility of 10 shots a day. I am a professional gunsmith for a living. I can make a muzzle brake integral with the barrel and I don't do it because I can't justify it for myself, as the permanent, "devastating" effects of recoil are lost on me. Don't get me wrong, I have made a lot of money installing brakes on rifles, but in my experience, the guys with the fat wallets have always turned out to be "cabbage patch commando's." Don't get me wrong, my lathe is always in the mood to install a brake if I can get $85 for the job plus the cost of the brake. I just think that you should know, even if he won't tell you himself, that your local gunsmith always thinks that it's humorous when a customer can't manage recoil in his own rifle, but I have the kind of manners that don't keep me from saying it....................Kingpin
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 July 2003 at 03:37

First things first, who the heck would want to shoot 125 rounds of .50 BMG without a brake?  Probably the same person who'd enjoy shooting 125 rounds of .460 WbyMag from an unbroken rifle.

Anyway, I put muzzle brakes in the same category as I do golf carts when I hit the links.  Not required to succeed, but their benefits are appreciated.

I enjoy walking the course.  Good excercise.  Plus it's cheaper.  But, I know for a  fact, that if a cart is rented, I'm a lot more refreshed after 18 and might try to squeeze in another 9.  I don't expect my scores to magically improve because of the cart (and they don't) but I know I'll feel better at the end of it all.

Similar thing with a muzzle brake.  I've never indicated to anyone that I've not been able to handle the recoil accurately of ANY of the rifles that I've owned.  Your notion that all the folks installing the brakes are the ones that can't handle this recoil is incorrect.  If I were skitterish of recoil, I'd not have any of my big game rifles, 'cept the .270, of course.  Pretty clear, I ain't.  That said, I also ain't fool enough to think that after a full day of varminting with the 7mm RUM, I'd not feel a lot better WITH the muzzle brake rather than without it.  Just a common sense thing.  Again, I DO NOT magically expect any greater level of accuracy because of the brake.  What I expect is to feel better at the end of the day.  And I do.  Brakes being "gimmicks"?  Call it want you want KINGPIN but if it makes my RUM feel like my .243, I'll take that "gimmick" every day of the week.  And with all of our LR varminting taking place from benches or bipods prone, I'd much prefer RUM performance at .243 level recoil.

We've had a couple hand cannons come and go, as well.  Lazzeroni's Patriot, .338 WSM among others.  Max loads have been worked up and used with real nice success.  Some have had brakes, others not.  Again, pretty easy to recognize the benefits of a handcannon with a brake.

I tend towards the "purist" way of shooting and hunting as well, and that be, hunt with what you're comfortable and accurate with.  If that be a rifle with a brake, so be it.  Without a brake, again, so be it.  I certainly don't think "purist" means avoid brakes like the plague.  That would be the KINGPIN definition.  Personally, I think that's the wrong definition.  

As far as your 1400 yd. shot on coyote.  Impressive.  Certainly not unbelieveable, but impressive.  What cartridge you use?  Rifle?  Load?  How'd you measure the range?  I do love the varminting.  We're in the drawing up stages now for our 1500 yd. varmint rigs.  Probably have a brake on those rifles too.  We'll have to see.  >>  klallen

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 July 2003 at 11:39

I dont like brakes because of the extra sound it produces. Horrible for your ears. Muffs only decrease 26 decibals, and i think that a muzzlebrake adds more than the muffs take away.

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