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    Posted: 03 December 2008 at 16:03
Evening fellas.  I'm toying around with the idea of getting a conversion kit for a Glock 20 or 21, making the 10mm or 45acp semiauto a .50GI.  Anyone heard anything negative about these kits?  I read about the cartridge some time back and was interested, then forgot about it for one reason or another.  Fiddling on GunBroker I slipped across it again and it's seemed to renew the interest.  While expensive, this Glock conversion seems the much more affordable route if a GI is desired.  I've got an e-mail into the manufacturer to get some questions answered.  Just wondering if anyone's heard negative about the kit or the round?  Thanks.  korey 
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Well Gentlemen, we're not toying around with the idea any longer.  With the resounding response the initial post received, I decided to go ahead with the project and test things out myself.

The kit was purchased off GunBroker last week.  Later the same night I started this topic, as a matter of fact.  I also ordered 2 extra 9+1 magazines, Lee carbide custom die set, 200 brass, 1 50-count box of factory loaded 300 gr. ammo & 1 50-count box of factory loaded 275 gr. ammo.  Got an update e-mail back from the seller last night.  Demand has been exceeding supply for these conversion kits as well as the loaded ammo.  Fears of 50 cal ban's have completely cleared out the manufacturer of loaded ammo and have them working now to catch up on the 10's of thousands of rounds that are backordered.  Lucky for me, my seller had ammo on hand and is holding mine request for shipment with the kit and brass when they arrive.  My brass is set aside, waiting to deliver with kit and mag's.  Holdup is the mags.  Seems they're a bit short on them to, as buyers are getting more then just the one that comes with the kit.  My seller felt confident he'd see everything delivered in a couple weeks tops.  We'll see.  Might be lucky to have this thing rolling by Christmas.

The Glock 21 was ordered on Friday.  Arrived yesterday.  That was the easy part.

There was one box of Speer 300 gr. Gold Dots sitting at the end the shelf at one of our local shops.  Was suprised as hell to see it there.  Thrilled, too, as that's the bullet I'd like to load up in this thing when reloading starts.

So now, I wait.

Here's a little visual of what I'm trying to do :


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Most of the the 50 cal bullets are pretty tough. Do you think they will expand for you? I wasn't real pleased with how they mushroomed out of the 500 S&W. Can you make the brass out of .50 Beowulf?

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Ya know, DEADDOG.  I'm not really sure how these GD's will expand at .50GI velocity.  I guess worst case it'll still be cutting a .500 whole even if their is no expansion.  Certainly not ideal, I guess.  But a big hole just the same.

I'm looking into a ballistic medium system that shows bullet expansion in a geletin type test medium as well as wound channel characteristics, penetration depths.  It looks good but haven't really been able to lock down a cost to get the whole system up and running.  Will be looking more into it.  This would be a real neat thing to have to test performance of all kinds of bullets, both rifle and handgun.

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what's the velocity on that suposed to be anyway? It looks interesting............................Kingpin
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Ballistic Comparison Chart
Taylor Knockout Factor = caliber x weight x velocity : 7000 =
Caliber
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Taylor rating
9mm 125 JHP 1175 7.47
40 S&W 180 JHP 1050 10.07
357 mag 158 JHP 1250 10.80
45ACP 230 JHP 875 12.98
44 mag 240 JHP 1250 18.41
50GI 240 LSWC 750 12.88      45ACP level
50GI* 300 FP 720 15.45      41 Mag level
50GI* 275 JHP 890 17.51      41 Mag level
50GI 300 JHP 860 18.43      44 Mag level

 

That was a dumb question. I have internet and can find it too. From what I read, it doesn't sound fast enough to upset the bullet. With the diameter though, I don't think it would matter a lot...............................................Kingpin

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Fella's;

Hmmm, so using the above forumula & plugging in the numbers:

Caliber .475 X 425 gr bullet weight X 1250 fps gives 252,343.75 somethings.  Then, what does the colon represent?  Looking at the "somethings" number & the Taylor Rating results numbers, it almost has to be a division, which would result in:  36.049

which is why after turning loose of a few .475 Linebaugh's I'm allowed to refer to the .44 magnum as a weak-kneed bed wetter of a caliber.

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sorry k i didn't get back to this sooner.  no, it's not a fireball of a round, velocity wise.  i think that's kinda the intent of the cartridge creator.  payed for and picked up the g21 today.

yup.  it is "divided by", CB.

(caliber x bullet weight x muzzle velocity) / 7000 = T K F

All those big revolver cartridges are impressive.  How about :

(.500 x 500 x 1500 ) / 7000 = 53.571 T K F.

I stopped at 1500fps not because the .500S&WMag couldn't do more but simply because I didn't want to put myself through it.  Not exactly sure how fast that heavy a bullet could safely be pushed.  I do know right around 1450 fps is my personal comfort limit.

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The Taylor number is just a raw number, no real meaning.  But relative Taylor numbers give an "indication".

Since the Taylor number is made up by a guy might want to take it with a grain of salt.

 

John ‘Pondoro’ Taylor was a government hunter and a Ph in Africa in the ‘30s.  A very strange guy lived with his ‘boy friend’ in a river camp along the Zambezi River in Mozambique.  I was fortunate to visit his camp well after his moving and death.  Not much to see but must have been great hunting grounds in the 30-40s.

 

He sort of dreamed this Taylor Factor up, to support large rifles (.40+) for big game hunting.  Certainly a large bullet and large diameter means a good big game rifle.  Remember he was concerned with REALLY BIG stuff like elephant, Cape buffalo, and Lion.  So his ‘created equation’ supports big is better.  Don’t think anyone ever thought the Taylor equation was meaningful for pistol cartridges.  But since it has no basis in physic or science, why not.

 

He had a successful book “African Rifles and Cartridges” first published in 1948; but reprints are still available for $40.  Also the book “A man call Lion by Capstick is an interesting bio.  Lots of folks thought Taylor was full of BS then and now.

 

If you want to play with the “equation” you have to use the actual bullet diameter, so things like the 44 magnum are really .42 no 44.

 

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Originally posted by BEAR BEAR wrote:

The Taylor number is just a raw number, no real meaning.  But relative Taylor numbers give an "indication".

Since the Taylor number is made up by a guy might want to take it with a grain of salt.

 

Ah come on, BEAR.  All of us guys brand new to the game base all of our rifle and handgun purchases solely on a TKF, don'tcha know? 

 

Seriously, it's just a number to play with, bud.  I don't think anyone involved in the conversation to this point is taking the values generated all that seriously.



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Klallen;

Oh, I know that there's bigger badder revolver rounds than the Linebaugh now.  Wasn't shootin' for max effect, just drawing the comparison between the .44 magnum and a large non-magnum. 

I have always wondered if you get a free tripod & pulley system from S&W to help with the draw on that X-frame.

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Originally posted by CB900F CB900F wrote:

I have always wondered if you get a free tripod & pulley system from S&W to help with the draw on that X-frame.

if ya do, i'm mildly irritated.  my .500's a taurus and i got no such perk with that purchase.

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