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dakotasin
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Topic: hornady factory loads v. handloads Posted: 23 June 2003 at 17:10 |
a week or so ago there was a thread asking about factory ammo. i, of course, responded that factory ammo is garbage. i have heard, though, that factory ammo is actually quite good these days...so, i had to test some out to see.
i decided on testing out 308 win loads by hornady (165 btsp) while i was doing load development on my 700 vls. partially this is because of past good experiences w/ hornady ammo when i used to shoot factory, and partially because hornady prints all the data pertinent to the cartridges on the label (velocity, trajectory, lot #).
the lot i was checking out claimed a muzzle velocity of 2700 f/s, and the box declared the ammo to be 'accurate' among other things. hmm. we'll see!
i do all load testing, proofing, and development at 200 yards, so all this data is for 200 yards (i feel 100 yards does not adequately test out the loads).
anyway, i shot 6 3-shot groups, and came up w/ an average velocity of 2715 f/s, w/ a standard deviation of 10. average group size (200 yards remember) was 1.05". wow! those are some great numbers, especially standard deviation and accuracy.
could i have been wrong about my handloads besting factory loads?? read on...
my best handload for my vls (varget, win brass, federal primer, and 165 hornady btsp) runs 'em out at an average of 2801 f/s, w/ a s.d. of 9, and average accuracy for 5-shot groups runs .702". 3-shot groups are tight enough that i won't/can't measure 'em.
yeah, factory ammo is pretty fair...but it just can't beat a custom tailored handload. in this case, my loads were more accurate and nearly 100 f/s faster. and, much, much, much cheaper.
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TasunkaWitko
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Posted: 23 June 2003 at 17:31 |
excellent post, dakota. it's good to see some of this here on bsb!
i am just about to start "messing" with 160-grain sierra gamekings for my 7x57. also on one of the burners is a little development for my .308 (i like the 150-grain hornady btsp, but am thinking of stepping up to 165 partitions) and some experimentation with my .30-30 (cast boolits - just wanna get my feet wet!).
once again, thanks for posting your results!
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klallen
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Posted: 24 June 2003 at 01:36 |
Not a bad showing at all for the factory stuff. Gotta say I was a bit impressed with it. I can see where a non-reloader would be pleased if he could buy that kind of factory accuracy for his hunting rig.
Oh yeah. You're reloads weren't all that bad either, DAKOTASIN . Nice comparison report. Later. >> klallen
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Posted: 24 June 2003 at 01:54 |
I have seen at least a couple of articles on accuracy of factory ammo in the past few months. Basically . . . what it does . . . and this is just fine . . . reduces reloading to a hobby. No real evidence that reloads are any better than factory ammo. But, I will still do it. The flexibility is important to me.
Facts are that there is a HUGE selection of loaded ammo out there . . . I hate to call it "factory" ammo. Even the big guys produce "premium" loads with very fine bullets. And don't overlook the "little" guys either. I have bought ammo from a relatively small outfit in Montana . . . Hunting Shack Munitions . . . good stuff . . . accurate and reliable . . . consistent.
The best? Well . . . if I was heading for Africa [pipe dream!] I would have a hard time not selecting Weatherby or Norma. Of course, in that case, I would be tottin' a couple of Weatherbys. 
Whoops . . . didn't answer the question! Never have used Hornady ammo, but I use their bullets . . . excellent stuff. 
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NH_Hunter
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Posted: 24 June 2003 at 11:08 |
Hey dakotasin, did you try Hornady Light Mags or did you use Hornady Custom. Light Mags have more velocity and energy, i dont know about accuracy though.
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dakotasin
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Posted: 24 June 2003 at 12:02 |
in this instance i used the custom (headstamp on the brass says 'match').
when i get my load development finished up (meaning i feel i've extracted every last grain of accuracy from the vls), i will put my loads head-to-head w/ other factory stuff. expect i'll compare federal gold medal match, hornady light mag, and win ballistic silvertip.
if there is something you have a hankering to see compared, lmk, we'll see if i can afford the overpriced, underpowered, inaccurate stuff! btw, i do not handload for levers, autos, or pumps...
at any rate, i just picked up an 8# can of varget, and just got done prepping 55 pieces of brass. hoping to finish load development in the next couple of weeks (brother coming into town this weekend, staying for a week - means i'll not have much opportunity for development work until after the 4th).
after that, i'll be working on a model 7 in 243, and a 700 bdl in 25-06 (at least the 'smithing work is done on the 25). also need to get serious about the 223 and 22-250... thank goodness the 7 mags are done... doing development work on a pair of 7rem mags will really tax the shoulder. breathe in, breathe out, now say 'decelerator'. 60 shots per day from these will color a shoulder!
anyway, those are the calibers lined up for this summer. taking requests, and will post results as i get to them, if there is much interest (is it possible to wear a chrony out?? on my 3rd battery now, and she's still tickin' great).
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Posted: 28 June 2003 at 02:04 |
Dakotasin;
What chrono are you using?
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dakotasin
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Posted: 28 June 2003 at 03:14 |
funny you ask that... i am usually very, very brand aware. not so on my chrony. i think it is a 'pro-chrono', but could very well be mistaken. it is not an oehler, though, that much i do know.
i do put a lot of faith in my chronograph and would not do load development without one. kind of amazing what a chrony will tell you about your loads, and the deductions you can make from that...
kind of ironic, too, that i bought the chrony to help me tune my bow. never really cared to shoot rifles and handguns over it. here i am today, and have never put an arrow over the chrony, but have slung a lot of lead over the top of it...
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NH_Hunter
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Posted: 28 June 2003 at 03:22 |
I always thought that you shoot to the side of a chrony. THat is probably because i have never used one . I will probably buy one eventually. I think it would be kind of fun to know how fast bullets are flying over the thing.
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I would like to see what you mix up for you 243. am looking for something to improve the accuracy of mine. Have you used the varget a lot? was just on the hogdgon site last night and that looked like a good one to start with but my experience with reloading is ZERO so i would like to see any results you have to post.
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Posted: 28 June 2003 at 03:53 |
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Hey SDLOU >> Got three loads I really like in my Ruger VT .243 Win. with its 26" barrel. I'll give the components and average velocities. Loads are on the warm side, but safe in "my" rifle. All loads are on Remington cases and Fed. 210 primers. Work up slowly and as you see fit :
Bullet - Powder - Velocity
55 Gr. Ballistic SilverTip - Varget - 4223 fps 75 Gr. Speer Hollow Point (molied) - Varget - 3722 fps 80 Gr. Ballistic Tip (molied) - IMR4350 - 3732 fps
The load with the 55 gr. BST is wonderfully accurate and great for closer range varmint hunting (out to 400 yds.) but any more I'm loading the 80 gr. BT for things past 500 yds., and leaving the closer stuff to the .223. Good luck to ya. >> klallen
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dakotasin
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Posted: 28 June 2003 at 06:03 |
i just put together some loads for the 243. might get out to the range this afternoon... s'posed to have t-storms this evening, so it depends on if the wind will cooperate.
anyway, i loaded some testers up using cci br-2 primer, win brass, and sierra 85 grain bthp gameking. one batch is loaded w/ varget, and one w/ h-4350.
my initial testing tests for pressure as much as anything else. we'll see how it goes, and look for a little promise from the powders above. i'll let you know what i find.
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