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tj3006
.416 Rigby
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Topic: Got my carry piece. Posted: 22 November 2003 at 11:43 |
Went to the big gun show here in portland, and got a very nice carry revolver. Made an offer on a 4 inch diamond back and would love to have gotten it but the best i could do was 500.00. So I looked around and found a pinned and resesed model 66 2.5 inch. It has a houge mono grip and is excelent condition.
I had to give 350.00 witch was a little more than i wnted to spend but it was a prety good deal. Got a cheap shoulder holster that fits it for now. Loaded it up with some 125gr Hps and now I am set to go and able to protect my self well.
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Posted: 22 November 2003 at 12:05 |
TJ;
A good .357 round for the snubs is the Rem 125gr golden Sabre. Word is that it was specifically engineered to perfom in the short barrel guns. It's the only Rem factory ammo I buy. But I do use it in my Ruger SP101 2.5".
And congrats on getting what you wanted.
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tj3006
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Posted: 22 November 2003 at 19:13 |
Thanks for the ammo tip.
I used to use a pro lad round with a sierra 140 grain HP. Cant find that one any more. I like those little SP101s. If I was after a 6 inch i could have had a GP100 for 210.00. I thoght that was the best deal there.
I was Tempted to shoot a big ol raccon i saw on my way home tonight but here in the middle of the city i could get into alot of trouble. I picked up a nice bianci paddle holster tonight and If I get the chance tommorow I will go put a few rounds through it. I will be looking for a nice set of wood grips for it...tj3006
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Posted: 23 November 2003 at 00:51 |
Sounds like a nice rig Tj. Congratulations.
As to bullets, i use to use the 125 HP. But I changed in my 38 P++ loads and I use 130 gr FMJ. This seems to fly in the face of the hollow points that everyone likes. My thoughts are, I'm looking for max penetration. If I have to use these loads, the use will most likely be outside the home. Heavy winter coats can severly limit penetration of HPs. In addition my 442 is carried with the intent of shooting thru my own coat pocket.
Just some thoughts.
BEAR
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tj3006
.416 Rigby
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Posted: 23 November 2003 at 04:48 |
Bear
Cant argue with you logic. I have a winter load and a summer load for my 9mm brownwnig high power. I carry a winchester 115gr HP iin the summer and a 115 fmj in the winter beacuse of the thick clothing a potential mugger might have on. I don't carry the high power much just cause I like the 45 cartridge alot better. I will be carrying the S&W with the remington 125s for awhile but I have been known to pack a federal 129 grain hydroshock +p load in magnums before and from a snubnose it probably makes even more sence.
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Posted: 23 November 2003 at 05:34 |
Fella's;
My normal carry gun is an H&K USPc in .40 S&W. It's filled with Winchester SXT 180 grain ammo for summer, winter, mugger, what-have-you, all the time. Muzzle velocity runs right at 950 fps.
I carry it in a Milt Sparks Executive's Companion IWB holster & have for years. It's comfortable & long lasting. Just a tip, I bought the belt with the holster & having a matched set seems to work very well.
I'm not a large guy, 5'10" 165 lbs, & the 'compact' part of H&K's nomenclature is suspect. But I don't get 'made' to my knowledge with the rig. The compact H&K's are only compact in relation to the full-size USP's. Compared to other makers full-sized guns, like a CZ 75 or Hi-Power, the compacts are only slightly smaller. Not enough smaller to make a significant difference in my estimation.
The reason I picked the H&K was the left-hand friendliness of the gun. My only other real choice at the time was the Taurus. No contest, I sucked it up & paid for the H&K & am damn glad I did. The criteria were: frqme mounted operating lever, right side of gun operating lever or ambi operating lever, major caliber, and reliability. The CZ's were not generally available at the time I bought, 1996 or 7, gotta go look now.
Since I bought it, it's been sent back & had the ambi operating lever installed. I also got new mag springs & have changed them out earlier this year. The springs were only $8.00 ea, which I didn't figure was too bad at all. Getting 6 or 7 years outta a mag spring isn't bad. Got 4 mags for it & rotate semi-regularly also.
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tj3006
.416 Rigby
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Posted: 23 November 2003 at 10:24 |
Went to the indoor range with the 66.
1st thing I discoverd was I gotta get some younger eyes ! First 2 shots were deadly in the middle of the chest of the target. But over all i did not shoot to well.
I had a hell of a time getting a clear site picture, been looking on line for some replacment sites. I think I might give millett a call. I have used there sites on other guns and I like them. A little bolder rear site and mabye a little wider notch might do the trick. Its been awhile since I shot double action revolver so i am not to dimayed. When i fired 6 shots single action I put the bullets into 1 hole at 21 feet, but in the double action mode aiming for the chest i hit the belly an awful lot. I did an old trick of using a russian roulet ruteen puttin 2 rounds in the gun spinning the cylender and firing.(at the target not my head) I was certaily not holding very steady. I will practice with some 38s, use the 2 loaded chambers and see If I can't gain a little better trigger control, that way.
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NH_Hunter
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Posted: 23 November 2003 at 11:44 |
Hey Tj, from my experiences, shooting the .357 with wood grips in a small revolver isnt fun. I would stick with the hogue. It is coushier and doenst dig into your hand .
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North Logan
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Posted: 23 November 2003 at 12:09 |
I'm partial to compact Glocks in .40 S&W for carry...


Regards, Marcus. 

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Posted: 23 November 2003 at 12:41 |
Marcus;
The Glocks don't fit my hand well. I shoot much better with several other guns. I also don't know any other way to put this either, THEY ARE UGLY.
My knife's a Kershaw, same size as yours, or close to it, but with a bit more belly on the blade.
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Triggerguard
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Posted: 24 November 2003 at 01:35 |
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Gotta agree with CB, Glocks just don't "feel right" to my hands either. I know, I know, they are great weapons, but I don't care for them. I carry my Para-Ordnance P12 on a daily basis. If I'm not carrying a serious gun, I'll carry a Colt Mustang Pocketlite or a Smith 36.
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North Logan
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Posted: 24 November 2003 at 03:47 |
CB900 & Triggerguard - I understand what you both say about the feel of the Glock. I used to feel the same way, too. Having been predominantly a "wheelgun" man myself and then much later a huge fan of the Colt 1911 and BHP in semi-autos, it didn't seem natural when first using the "plastic gun". Gawd, it's unnatural! 
But what sold me was when I was first issued a Glock 22 in 1995, the same one I still have today. I put about 5,000 rounds thru it during a couple of training courses early on. To date it has had over 15,000 rounds thru it without a hitch.

Later, that Glock 27 [compact] came along and it has about 5,000 thru it, too. I admit, having large hands it is a bit of a handful in .40 S&W. I have shot the 9mm version and it's a lot easier!
I've since added a Glock 17 in 9mm, to my personal collection although I do prefer my BHP. The Glock was just too good a deal to pas up [at $400 Canadian - or about $300 US]. I am partial to the BHP MkIII with ambi safety, being a "leftie", too.

Course, there isn't anything wrong with a "wheelgun", either. 

Top to bottom S&W's: Model 57 .41 Magnum; Model 19 .357 Magnum, Model 37 "Airweight" .38 Special; Model 36 "Chiefs" .38 Special.

Regards, Marcus.

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tj3006
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Posted: 24 November 2003 at 03:50 |
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I carried my custom commander for a long time. Quite frankly I shoot it alot better than I do the revolver. I like the single action. But I have a lot of money into it so I decided I would carry somthing else for awhile I also shoot my browning Highpower rather well. I need to put some new sites on the browning, and i have not decided witch ones to go with yet. AS a rule I prefer a single action automatic. I think the Colt defender would be a great carry gun, but they are awfully expensive. I am planning to shoot 50 rounds a week through my K-rame. Although I was hoping i could fid a factory load with a 140 grain HP, but so far no luck. ...tj3006
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Posted: 25 November 2003 at 02:25 |
Tj,
Short barrel double action guns are tough. Having been a target shooter for years with double action guns, I knew how much better I could handle a SA revolver. I have a charter Arms SA/DA and I always go for the hammer. I got the DA only because it didn't have a hammer to catch on clothing.
At least for me, I found that all I had learned about shooting SA, worked against me on shooting double action. Trigger squezze and trigger control were all wrong for me on the DA. I alway tried to slowly compress the DA trigger while controlling the sight picture. For me that was the wrong technique on DA. nI learned to very rapidly squezze (almost Yank) the trigger on the DA while controlling the gun frame. This really greatly improved my DA shooting.
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Triggerguard
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Posted: 25 November 2003 at 02:42 |
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I don't carry a revolver that often, but the J frame Smith I have is thirty years old. It was nice before I tuned it, but is very slick now. It was a backup for a SAPD officer for his whole carreer. He had the hammer bobbed. He carried the gun a lot, and shot it a liitle. When I opened it up, it was like new inside. The only downside, to me, is the ammunition capacity. I like more than five rounds available. I carry extra in a Bianchi Speed Strip, but still, I like the 12 +1 in my Para.
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Posted: 25 November 2003 at 03:01 |
Triggergard,
Different strokes for different folks. In my alloy J-frame Smith I carry only 4 rounds. For me this is a defensive piece, and if I can't solve the problem with 4 38s, I better had be running. I also don't like the barrel pointed at my most important organ with a loaded round in the chamber under the hammer. In addition the lack of 1 round reduces the weight in an already lightweight gun.
An on duty LEO may encounter a 'fire-fight', and want more gun and ammo. In that situation, a j-frame doesn't cut it. I prefer my M39 with 3 clips, as a minimum. Better yet is the Smith model 57 with a 6 inch barrel, and two boxes of ammo.
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tj3006
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Posted: 25 November 2003 at 03:58 |
I can understand not wanting to shoot your favorite toy off so I sugjest different carry method. belive it or not have used a hand gun in self defence 3 different times to prevent being robbed. I am gratefull to not have killed anyone, they all backed off at first site of a gun, but in one case it was 3 guys. I would not have been too happy with 4 shots in a .38 snub.
In my case I drew and pointed a government model 45 at the guy who seemed to be the head thug, and he said somthing in Spanish and they all scatterd like rodents. I must say it was an adrenalin rush, but not pleasent at all. I like a good burst of addrenalin and testoserone, like the kind you get making a good tackle in a foot ball game but this was not a pleasent experence.
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Posted: 25 November 2003 at 07:12 |
tj,
With three muggers, you would have still had ammo left over. Think positive.
BEAR
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Triggerguard
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Posted: 25 November 2003 at 09:50 |
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Bear, indeed different strokes. The empty under the hammer makes great sense in a traditional single action, just can't see it in a modern DA revolver. I carry IWB on my right side. Nothing under my muzzle. With any small capacity defense gun, I carry one reload. I'm likely to never, ever need it. For that matter, I'll probably never, ever need the gun itself. If I do need the gun or the reload, I'll need them very, very badly.
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Posted: 25 November 2003 at 10:20 |
Triggerguard,
Yes, conceal carry guns have to be compromises. Certainly I consider the short barrelled alloy J-frame guns, a compromise. I've sacrificed accuracy, power, and capacity for light-weight and concealability. "If I do need the gun or the reload, I'll need them very, very badly" is a very true statement. Having a high cap auto with extra clips in the car under a seat, doesn't help you on the street.
Your experience of never having fired you weapon is very common. I had looked at a design of a two shot 38 revolver that packed flat like an auto. For me two good shots are sufficient in the off-duty CC compromise.
I note that while sky marshalls have never been issued badges (can't seem to get the agency and the logo finalized) they are carrying a 357 Sig with an extra clip. For a LEO this is the best CC "on duty" sidearm in my opinion.
BEAR
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