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Topic: Getting back home - winchesPosted: 10 January 2005 at 13:54 |
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No NOT Wenches... I decided to stay the course and get the tools I might need when traveling to hunt Elk ... Last year I bought chains, and a front hitch. Now I went and bought a Warn 9.5Ti portable winch. Might even get some lockers just to try them on the old truck. I wouldn't want to put them on a new truck and find out they suck. Once I pay for my Tag and the break away stirrups I'll think about the lockers... Spot |
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Posted: 10 January 2005 at 14:29 |
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Spot; Get a come-a-long. Costs less, more useful in the long run. 900F |
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Posted: 10 January 2005 at 15:35 |
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CB, I like to be prepared to do it myself if I have to, this will be the only winch I ever have to buy, and it will last me a good long time going from truck to truck. Most likely will be used for pulling other people out but you give what you get. Spot |
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Posted: 10 January 2005 at 15:38 |
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With a front mounted winch, keep in mind that it is for self recovery ONLY. Lots of guys make that mistake and pay for trying to pull someone else out with fenders, a windsheild, or on some occaisions, a head. Parting a wire rope pulling yourself out is to be expected, but parting one pulling someone else is a fools mission. Want to talk recovery? I wrote a book on it once but never got paid for it. It's still in publication though, under some Majors name that I don't even know................Kingpin
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Posted: 10 January 2005 at 15:41 |
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Spot; OK, get two come-a-longs. One heavy & one light. You can throw them in any truck, yours or somebody else's. You can use either one or both to un-stick yourself or other people. Why if you combine them with 100 feet of 1" nylon rope, you can even rescue without getting your own rig dirty! And all of it will cost a helluva a lot less than a PTO winch. 900F |
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Posted: 10 January 2005 at 15:57 |
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I carry a medium come-along, a nylon tow strap, and 50 feet of nylon
rope in my toolbox all the time. Has come in handy many times.
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Posted: 10 January 2005 at 16:25 |
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Spot, if your setup is one that can mounted front or rear like I think it is, it'll beat the hell out of a come along. However, for hunting if you're fiding yourself winching out a lot you should reconsider your routes. But I'd buy one too if I had the spare cash.
The lockers are great, especially the air lockers. I wouldn't use any other for a daily driver.
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Posted: 10 January 2005 at 23:53 |
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Guy's, I've got to agree with Rob, I've used come-a-longs and they are hard work and SUCK compared to a winch. Lockers also. The kit I got has the winch, hitch mount for the winch, and the front power cords. I'll have to buy the rear power connections but they're worth it. King - I've always heard about the front end pull's being extremely dangerous, I'm thinking the back ends much safer however i think the use of a snatch block is the best way to go to reduce the chance of breaking a cable. I worry just a bit more about this with the rig I have because it's 9,500 lb'er... weights about 112 lbs just to maul it around. Post the book if you can find it, should be a value for me to read. Spot |
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Posted: 11 January 2005 at 10:24 |
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As I told you, I wrote the book. The 9500# rating is measured with three winds on a bare drum. Just something to think about. Also, a snatch block is a great item to pack. It gives the mechanical advantage needed in some cases. Rigging isn't for rubes though. May I suggest that you purchase a copy of U S Army FM 20-22, the field recovery handbook? You can probably order it at your local Army Surplus dealer or on line. It is PACKED with the most useful comon sense info I have ever seen. LOL, I can't even take a bow for it, some Major beat me to it.......Kingpin
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Posted: 11 January 2005 at 11:53 |
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I'm with the come along crowd. If you get somewhere you need a winch, you have already went where you shouldn't have. Add in a handyman jack, and you can get out of a lot of trouble. Also consider a couple old axles, a sledge hammer, and some chain. In some places, you will need to place a deadman to get your butt unstuck.
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Posted: 11 January 2005 at 13:23 |
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The 4 foot handman type jack, is good. You can use it as a winch or a jack. Pound for pound a come-along or a good coffin winch is great. My brother packs a winch exactly like you describe spot. Takes up lots of room in his vehicles, and in the last 3 years he hasn't used it. A credit to his driving skills/decisions. Everyone must make up his mind about how much of a turtle he is. You can carry your whole house, if that is what you want. If a person doesn't know how a cable breaks and where it will fly....he should stay away from any cable/rope pulling device. Maybe read KP's book or something. A broken wire rope will cut you in two parts with lightning speed, or send a pulley/hook thru your skull. BEAR Edited by BEAR |
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Posted: 11 January 2005 at 16:23 |
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I have an 8000 lb pulll winch that can be mounted for or aft, handyman jcak,and two com alongs, adn a snatch block that came off a tank. I have used them all, but when it gets down and dirty, the last resort is the winch. The com alongs and handyman might pull out toy truck, but not an 8500lb diesel witha 20 ft goose neck behind it, nor the smaller truck if it's sunk to the frame in mud/snow. Sometimes I have had to unhitch, winch the truck out and the winch the trailer out and then rehitch. The winch is always mounted in the front reciever when traveling, so it takes no extra room. A person needs at least 200 ft of cable and 3-4 logging chains and some tow strapping. I would rather carry that than have to leave the truck in somewhere over winter and have the porcupines eat all the wiring, or pay some front end loader to come get me out for about $6-$8 K. When you are 15-20 miles back in on a dirt road, there ain't no Triple A you can call and you need to be able to save yourself. Besides once you get one, you will find all kind of uses for it, like pulling over trees, moving hay bales, unsticking the tractor. Of course city folks won't have near the use as some guy out in the boonies. |
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Posted: 12 January 2005 at 00:54 |
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I was pulling a heavy water tank with a 1/2" nylon line and a hook made out of 1/2 " rebar. The nylon rope stretched 10 feet or so before the tank would slide a few feet. Eventually the rebar hook let go and kwanged into the front end of the truck body as I was watching it. It almost punched through the metal sheeting, and this was a 1964 International pick-up. If It had been 18"-20" higher I might not be writing this. One inch line sounds big, but it isn't. I used 5/8" nylon line to pull my moose out with last September and was impressed by how much it stretched witha 950# drag. Nylon line stretches a lot especially if you have 50' - 75' of scope on it. A single pulley snatch block is a good idea because it doubles the pulling potential of a winch or come-a-long, but could be deadly if the stretched line gets a chance to act like a slingshot. I went through this line of thinking getting ready for my 2004 moose hunt and the attitude that developed was, if I am miles from main roads or even a portion of a mile off a logging road, having extra space devoted to insurance gear was worth the seeming bother and pain. A footlocker full of "getting unstuck gear" is not too much. I took a come-a long, several coils of 50' to 100' 5/8" nylon line, 3/8" chain with hooks, several snatch blocks, an ax, and a short handle spade and a chainsaw. I was in deep woods with trees to attach to but in crossing one beaver blocked bridge on the edge of a flowage there were no trees to attach to if I had broken through the bridge, so something to make a solid deadman with could be invaluable. Sorta like buying easy-outs for the shop. You hardly ever need them, But..... My big concern when I am hunting alone and away from the maddening crowds is what is the plan if I get hurt to the point of immobility? |
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Posted: 12 January 2005 at 02:44 |
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Fella's; Yes, in Saddlesore's situation, what with that much weight, a PTO is a very good idea. I'm predicating my comments on a single 4WD truck. 900F |
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Posted: 12 January 2005 at 09:55 |
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A winch on a regular 4wd is great to have. Still beats the hell out of a come along. Especially if one is really stuck in deep snow or mud. I've been stuck many of times when I used to 4wd as a past time and have had plenty of fun with both. A come along is a good thing to have along but a winch is fast and stronger. When it's cold and you're waist deep in snow it'll pay for itself in a hurry.
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Posted: 13 January 2005 at 11:34 |
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I have had a Jeep CJ5 stuck in mud asshole deep to a tall indian, and was all alone. When I bought the Jeep (new) my first task was to put a 1500# superwinch on it. Were it not for that winch, yours truly would have still been there, a lot worse for wear, and quite hungry. I mounted it on the front (for self recovery) and carried with me three 20' tow straps, along with a shovel, high lift jack, and 100' of 1" manilla rope (these were the days when nylon rope wasn't readily available) ans the snatch block that came with the winch. My outlook is like this, if you can get yourself out, you're not stuck. I NEVER saw anything I couldn't unstick..........................Kingpin
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Posted: 13 January 2005 at 11:48 |
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KP, I got a track (m113) stuck in mud. Six feet of mud, we didn't dare exit. Not even sure if mud is the right term. It was rich with decomposed vegetation or something and looked and felt just like black wheel bearing grease. We called in a DAT to pull us out with a M60 and got stuck and then another. Finally we called in (can't remember what it's called) the tow tank. Basically a giant tracked vehicle the combat engineers had and it pulled us all out with ease. I'll never forget that, the stench was terrible and the sound as we pulled out was something else.
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Posted: 12 May 2005 at 12:12 |
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Nah, now this is a winch: (said in a Croc Dundee accent) 15,000 lb Ramsey Patriot, this is the bad boy of the line. I have the remote control fob wired in - in case you are worried about breaking the 7/16" aircraft cable. I think other things will break long before the cable!
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