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Posted: 08 December 2005 at 10:31

I was strolling through a gun store, when I saw a 3 volume new fangled version of my ol' 1980s vintage Hornady reloading manual. I looked up the 45 ACP section to see if there was any new bullets an' powder combinations. Now I been loadin' 230 grainers with 9.2 gr of HS6 for twenty some year. My ol' manual shows a max load of 9.7 gr, so I've never suspected it was a hot load. Now, the new manual shows a max charge of 8.7 gr! I'm not .5 gr under max, I'm that much over max! Has the earth's atmosphere thinned over the last 20 years, or has HS6 changed, or is liability the real issue?

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Posted: 08 December 2005 at 10:48

My first instinct is global warming with all the methane gas that seems to erupt from certain parts of the potato state but I'm sure it's a liability issue. They'd probably say different test barrels etc etc but what you noticed seems to be the norm for many cartridges. Some look at manuals as a bible, I consider them a simple reference tool. Add some common sense and they're good for a reference, add some idiots into the mix and the manuals are probably taking logical steps with their data.

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Posted: 08 December 2005 at 13:12

That is why you need to keep updated manuals around. Powder lots can vary drastically, and what was safe back then, may very well be dangerous, now. 2400 comes to mind. You need to drop a couple grains of it from the old Kieth load, or you can run into pressure problems, muy pronto. Be safe. You have the internet to find current load info. If you don't kow EXACTLY what you are doing when reloading, don't hot rod anything.

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Posted: 11 December 2005 at 08:44

Years ago, pressure measurememnts in all cartridges was not an exact science. Now days, they are more accurate and many loads which were retested were found to be above limits. Combine that with out litigating society and you can see why data has been reduced.

I sometimnes pull out my old Lyman manual from 1964 and still use some of those loads.

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	I was strolling through a gun store, when I saw a 3 volume new fangled version of my ol' 1980s vintage Hornady reloading manual. I looked up the 45 ACP section to see if there was any new bullets an' powder combinations. Now I been loadin' 230 grainers with 9.2 gr of HS6 for twenty some year. My ol' manual shows a max load of 9.7 gr, so I've never suspected it was a hot load. Now, the new manual shows a max charge of 8.7 gr! I'm not .5 gr under max, I'm that much over max! Has the earth's atmosphere thinned over the last 20 years, or has HS6 changed, or is liability the real issue?
	Mule

Rob1 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List .416 Rigby The Walnut Whisperer Joined: 10 June 2003 Location: Vatican City State Status: Offline Points: 3413	Post Options Post Reply Quote Rob1 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 08 December 2005 at 10:48
	My first instinct is global warming with all the methane gas that seems to erupt from certain parts of the potato state but I'm sure it's a liability issue. They'd probably say different test barrels etc etc but what you noticed seems to be the norm for many cartridges. Some look at manuals as a bible, I consider them a simple reference tool. Add some common sense and they're good for a reference, add some idiots into the mix and the manuals are probably taking logical steps with their data.
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waksupi Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List .416 Rigby aka Keeper of the Old Traditions Joined: 11 June 2003 Status: Offline Points: 2371	Post Options Post Reply Quote waksupi Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 08 December 2005 at 13:12
	That is why you need to keep updated manuals around. Powder lots can vary drastically, and what was safe back then, may very well be dangerous, now. 2400 comes to mind. You need to drop a couple grains of it from the old Kieth load, or you can run into pressure problems, muy pronto. Be safe. You have the internet to find current load info. If you don't kow EXACTLY what you are doing when reloading, don't hot rod anything.
	Shooters Cast Bullet Alumnus http://www.castboolits.gunloads.com/index.php?

saddlesore Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List .416 Rigby Joined: 16 June 2003 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1345	Post Options Post Reply Quote saddlesore Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 11 December 2005 at 08:44
	Years ago, pressure measurememnts in all cartridges was not an exact science. Now days, they are more accurate and many loads which were retested were found to be above limits. Combine that with out litigating society and you can see why data has been reduced. I sometimnes pull out my old Lyman manual from 1964 and still use some of those loads.
	Saddlesore If God wanted you to walk and carry things on your back, He would not have invented stirrups and pack saddles