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CB900F
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Honor, Integrity
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Topic: Blissful Ignorance Posted: 01 May 2004 at 02:56 |
Fella's;
Due to something I ran across recently, I got to wondering:
How many in your state don't know that a concealed carry permit is possible, if it is possible in your state. After all, the state doesn't advertise that they are available, now do they? Gee, I wonder why they don't?
Seriously, why don't states advertise that CCW is available? After all, I don't know of a state that's passed CCW that hasn't had a decline in crime. Believe me, if a state passed CCW & had an increase in crime, the anti's would be all over it like ugly on an ape.
How many of the general population think that only undercover cops, feebs, private detectives, etc. can carry concealed? Why would it seem that states in general want that impression to hold true? If citizens are capable of defending themselves & crime drops, then couldn't more budget money be made available for things like schools? Gee, maybe I'm tired of having my property taxes go up a $100.00 every year!
Am I now a radical?
900F
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saddlesore
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Joined: 16 June 2003
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Posted: 01 May 2004 at 03:32 |
I would think that in general, people that want CCW permits are aware that they are available, and most would have them. It's the large segment of the population that just doesn't give rats ass about them either way. About the ame way as hunters. The majority of the population isn't against or for hunting. They just don't care. It isn't until there is some bad press that these folks start to formulate an opinion, and then it's short lived.
Back in 95-96, the county where I live, had new sheriff elected. Our state was one that they could give out CCW permits, but not required. This sheriff opted to do so. He instituted guide lines of training and background checks. Since I was a NRA certified instructor, and out of a job, I fired up my business, and got the $1 Million liability insurance through the NRA. I got a local sporting goods shop to give me a room to teach in, and for two years, I was busy teaching four classes a week, and the range portion on Saturday and Sunday. I made a little bit of money from it. Enough to buy the handguns I neeed to teach , and then some.
Then it started to dry up. In the next 6 months, I couldn't make enough to pay the insurance premium even. Seems that every one who wanted a permit had gotten one in the initial two years, and the remaining people were either newcomers to the state or younger ones that were finally old enough to apply for a permit.
The number of permit holders in this county has remained fairly stable for the last 7-9 yrs. about 3500.The year of the Columbine shootings, was the first year that a state wide law could have been passed with enough support, but the politically correct ones, pulled it from the que. Then it languished for a few years, and finally got pass a year or so ago. Since then there has been no large push for people to get them . A few classes is offered, and they are fairly high priced. I looked into it, but couldn't see a profitable venture, or even a break even. Our gun club offers them and there are usually only 5-6 in a class.
In retrospect, though, there are lot of people out there, that shouldn't ahvea CCW permit. I"m not talking about criminals , etc. I'm talking about the ones that you know are a little short of a full deck. The ones that make a strong case for mandatory birth control
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Saddlesore
If God wanted you to walk and carry things on your back, He would not have invented stirrups and pack saddles
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Posted: 01 May 2004 at 09:11 |
SS,You are so right.
"In retrospect, though, there are lot of people out there, that shouldn't have a CCW permit. I"m not talking about criminals , etc. I'm talking about the ones that you know are a little short of a full deck. The ones that make a strong case for mandatory birth control."
I've taught lots of folks and your are 100 % correct. Not everyone should have a gun. Everyone should have a right to have a gun, but some shouldn't have one. Lots of off-the-wall folks, from birth. I usually just flunk them, and hope thay take up bowling. I know instructors who condemn me for 'my attitude', but I don't want the moral responsibility. There is really no test required to identify these folks....it is apparent! I'm sorry for them but.......
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klallen
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Posted: 01 May 2004 at 15:39 |
I'm in agreement with the two above. There's a large population of folks out there that we're just as well they don't have the means to carry a concealed weapon. Them NOT knowing they could is probably safer for the rest of us .
Those that want it and would be responsible with it, are the ones that will search out their legal rights in their respective states. >> klallen
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A Big Mouth Don't Make A Big Man !!!
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Posted: 02 May 2004 at 02:56 |
Recently i talked to a guy that wanted to know how long his anti-aircraft cannon (mouonted on a 24 foot boat trailer) could sit under a blue tarp behind a barn without rusting. He owned it legally! But he was calling from an institution???? He knew he had 'emotional' problems, so he had voluntarily checked himself into a Florida 'mental hospital'. It took a number of days and phone calls to get him to sell it through a licensed dealed. I suggested he could but a nice boat to fish in florida with the money, he already had a 65 foot sail boat.
This guy really needed a set of horse-shoes and some friends to pitch with. Not any gun.
BEAR
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deaddog
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Posted: 06 May 2004 at 16:40 |
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I live in Mn.They just passed CCW last year. They figured that 50,000 people would apply, and get $100 bucks a piece for a five year license. 5 million in a small state like MN is alot of money the Congressmen can spend on road-side rests and bike trails. If you've never been to MN we have the best road-side rests in the country better than some Motel-6's I've been to. Go to Oklahoma and compare them to their picnic table and 55 gallon drum trash can rest area. The problem is they only got 10,000 or so CCW appicants and they already spent the 5 Mil. Hard to believe? It is not about the right defend yourself, it's about how can we take and spend your money...
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waksupi
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Posted: 06 May 2004 at 17:05 |
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It has always been fairly easy to get a CWP in Montana. and many take advantage of it. When Clinton ran the Brady Bill throough the first time, our local sherrif got on the radio, and told anyone who wanted a CWP, come to the office, and he would be sure they got it.
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The_Mountaineer
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Posted: 07 May 2004 at 08:50 |
I got one.
Dunno why the states don't advertise this much. I suspect that any advertising of any government program is hard to do with budget $$$ for advertising being very tight nowadays. Don't seem to have a problem advertising for candidates though . I know that many of our NRA folks and sportsman clubs as well as state police organizations have written up press releases in regards to this topic but the friggin newspapers haven't given it much attention. They'd rather report someone getting murdered rather than give coverage to someone using a firearm in self defense - but that's another story.
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North Logan
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aka The Legendary Lawman
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Posted: 30 May 2004 at 02:05 |
Generally, no legal CCW in Canada outside of law enforcement...

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