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    Posted: 02 August 2003 at 09:34

Man the way it's gettin anymore if you don't know somebody you got to pay either a club, lease, or outfitter to hunt these days.  Farm habbitat sucks near most places so the bird populations down, place that take care of habbitat don't want others on their land or will sell it to ya fer a price.  Looks to be the same way with Elk, and whitetail its all big business.  The only thing I know of that we can hunt the way we use to is Duck, doves, and maybe geese cause they migrate.  Looks like I out to by some western kansas land with some friends and start developin it fer pheasant and prarie dogs so I'll have a place to hunt.  I don't know guy's I ain't a "executive," or nothin.  I save long and hard and buy high quality stuff (not too much got less than 10 gun's).  hmm.... startin to bug me, what's it gonna be like fer my kids and such.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 August 2003 at 11:14
That's why I support the public ownership of land. As long as the Feds and the States own land we'll have place to hunt without paying an arm and a leg to do it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 August 2003 at 11:20

Steely;

Just watch the political poltroons very carefully when the words 'land swap' come up.  The good of the people usually comes in second place to the good of the bank account.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 August 2003 at 12:21

this issue is so complex. if we try to break it down to its simplest form, it doesn't make sense in practice.

on the one side we have the farmers - the guys who live there 365 days a year, paying the taxes, doing all the upkeep on the property, working the land (which is what brings many of the critters in), and generally just taking care of what is theirs.

on the other side we have the non-farming hunters - the guys who slave away at work all year, perhaps dreaming about their deer hunt later in the year. they just want a place to hunt, maybe spend some quality time w/ their kids away from work and school. not asking much.

the issue becomes complex when we throw a little money into the mix. most farmers have very little. the guys who work 9-5 in the city have varying degrees of it. the problem is at its zenith when the high roller comes in and offers (put an arbitrary number in here) per gun per day - but to make sure that money remains available for the farmer tomorrow, the high roller wants to see game. so, here we have capitalism in action - you can see where this is headed.

the solution for many of us (and this includes me on out-of-county hunts) becomes public lands. unfortunately, public land hunts are tough, most of the animals seen are being dragged into a pickup, and the antler quality is not what is available on private land (generally speaking, of course. there are exceptions).

i have no idea if we (as a country) are headed in the same direction of the european countries or not (where only the richest hunt). i'm not sure, though, that there is a better system than the one we have.

i do know that i am eternally grateful that i get to hunt private land for the bulk of my hunts - a point that is driven home every time i take on a public land hunt.

and, btw, cb900f is right about 'land swaps'.... every year i see the black hills of south dakota become more fragmented and developed (you would not believe how many new communities, golf courses, resorts, etc go up out there every year).  

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 August 2003 at 12:26
i remember the big kevin costner land swap in deadwood. if i remember correctly, he made himself a lot of enemies.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 August 2003 at 12:08
Most sales or exchanges for government land have some safe guards but there is politics. But they don't have to sell the land. Priviatize the management of a block of land to an outfitter= small government. You still need a license so the state gets its money and you have to book with the outfitter "managing" the land, the outfitter gets his money, the state gets their money again because the outfitter manages the land, fewer state employees and the state gets their money yet again as the outfitter paid for the concession.. This has been done in parks but the only part privatized had revenue. This has happened to non-residents in Ontario, you most have a guide to hunt there. It builds money into the state.province economy
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 August 2003 at 15:56
I live in a state with very little public land. Most that is
available for free hunting is owned by the state, not the Feds. It
seems to me that federal land is like federal money...nobody is
responsible for it. I've read a lot of diatribes against the US
Forestry Circus, probably most of it deserved. Funny, I don't hear
of devastating fires in my state. We do have timber, brush, and grasslands, we do
get VERY dry during the summer. However, we have private ownership of most
of the land, and an owner is ALWAYS more interested in perserving the value
than some pass-the-buck federal tit sucker, I mean employee.
Seems like you can't have it all.
"...A moral compass needs a butt end.Whatever direction France is pointing-towards collaboration with Nazis, accomodation with communists,...we can go the other way with a quiet conscience"-O'Rourke
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