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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote CB900F Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 July 2012 at 01:18

Thedad;

Never been a factory round down the barrel of the gun. 

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Investment in a box of Remington yello/green ammo would as dad said take the "rifle questions" out of the equation.
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From the sound of it you are using a progressing press.
That very well may be the source of the problem. When you
use a progressive with rifle loads you should use a
automatic case trimmer. If you don't you will get random
high pressure loads. The majority of the stretch of a
case happens during resizing. Most people I know who
load rifle loads with a progressing check the length
before they put the case in the loader. That is wrong you
need to check case length AFTER the resize. Some people
get by with this because they have a gun with a long
throat and a little extra case length does not bother
them, however, if you have a gun with a short throat and
you get a long case then you are asking for problems.
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good thought MtElk.  I've seen that on a 340 weatherby that a buddy shoots, He had sent the dies back to RCBS, then I checked the cases and the necks were long and the shoulders pulled out a few thousands by the expander button coming out.  result, high pressure.
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MtElkHunter;

I appreciate that you're trying to help figure this out.  But, you're not paying close attention to what I've been writing:  "I always weigh all rifle powder charges with the sole exception of high-volume .223, which is done on a different, progressive, press.".  That's the only reference I've made to a progressive press.  I do all my rifle reloading on an RCBS Rockchucker.  With the sole EXCEPTION of high-volume .223.

Now then, I did fling several rounds downrange recently and I'm checking the fired cases.  I ran a ladder of H100V from 67 grains to 70 grains.  Due to other factors, I didn't shoot the last two rounds, which went to 71 grains.  As I sized the cases, I noticed that they were getting harder to neck-size as I went up the ladder.  So, I mike' the necks at the lip & base.  Base went .370", exactly as the manuals say it should be.  The mouth went .371", or .002" over the book specs for new brass.  Not surprising at all.  So now the question is;  what's causing the increased effort to resize?  About the only thing I can think of is brass flow increasing the neck wall thickness. 

Hmmm, but that isn't adding up with previous experience with this gun.  Hell, before all the excitement began, I'd routinely gotten up to seven reloads, or eight firings,from brass.  At that point I'd decided, again long before the excitement started, that eight was enough & never went beyond that.  I realize that this is a different powder, but something isn't adding up.  I never got to the last two rounds, which were a half grain under, and at max load according to Hodgdon's manual.

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I interpreted what you said wrong. When you said "which
is
done on a different, progressive, press." I interpreted
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to mean that you had more than one progressive press and
you used one for .223 and the other one for the .338.
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about that.

I have been a reloading for 40 years and always find
these
type of problems interesting so it drives me nuts until I
can figure out what is going on. It's kind of like I
always
get my self in hot water with my hunting buddies because
I
always have to find out what is just over the next hill
so
a 2 hour hunt turns into a 8 hour cross country marathon!

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MtElk;

Not to worry, it's OK & I appreciate you're trying to help figure this out.  I've just neck-sized the brass I shot over the weekend, and I'm going to take your advice & check the case length before I go any further.  Just haven't gotten to it quite yet. 

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Fella's;

Went to the range this AM & among other things, ran 5 rounds of .338 over the chrono.  These were loaded in virgin brass, with 67 grains of Hodgdon's H100V under the Hornady 225 gr SST bullet.  Sixty-seven grains is the start load in the Hodgdon book.

The spread was from 2669 to 2695 fps, the average was 2682 fps.  The standard deviation was 9 fps, not too shabby at all.  The book gives the velocity at 2693 fps with 46,200 CUP.  The max load of 71 grains says the CUP runs 49,400, which is low when compared to other max loads in the same table.  I don't regard an 11 fps difference between my gun & the published data as significant at all.

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and the brass/primer looked??????????????
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