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    Posted: 17 August 2005 at 10:29

Any one handle one of the new Savage 114s ???

Doesn't look like a tomato stake!!!!

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I think I will still pass on a Savage. What calibers do they offer? What kind of wood is the stock made of, and, I believe I still see traces of the barrel nut. I may be wrong though..........Kingpin
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     That looks as nice as a remington, should still shoot like a savage though.

      I read on 24hr that the barrel nut (although uglier than the devil) is inherintly a more accurate way to align the barrel and action than what others use.. therefore the accuracy that Savage has.

   Interesting thought.

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The thing with you spot, is that if something is written down, you believe it verbatum. That being said, I have barrel nutted 700's in the past for shits and giggles and didn't notice any of the phenomina that you are preaching.

1. It's a pain in the ass to screw with is the main reason I don't do it.

2. It's not an accomplishment if you do it.

3. No matter what you do, it still looks like hell.

I did it with good barrels too, not junk. If it was as good as you say, don't you think that EVERYONE would do it? ..............................Kingpin

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King,

    Actually it's the opposite, I listen ... and can repeat it.  That doesn't mean I beleive it.. that is unless of course I say I beleive before the statement.

    My self I've never seen the mating surfaces between the barrel and action on a Savage, but the buggers can shoot the pants of most other rifles right out of the box.  .. (I do beleive that).

     I'm more apt to beleive that what effects rifle accuracy is the harmonics or flexing that results from the cumulative metal stress and bends as the bullet passes down the barrel.

     That being said, maybe the outside anchor of a barrel nut helps focus the pressure points more evenly than a screw in job.  I'll have to think about that one, but without any idea of the mating surfaces it ain't gonna get me much. 

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 I've owned a couple of savages "deluxe" models. The older ones from the 60's were quite a step above with nice walnut but still a Savage. The newer ones are still Savage but with a Walnut stock. I will say that stock design on the deluxe models of the past ten years is light years ahead of the BDL and and many others as well. But it again it's still a Savage, that doesn't bother me.
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 i think the rifle looks nice , but it would look better with a nice bsa scope on it !!!!!
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No, the deluxe deserves at least a Simmons Pro-Hunter 
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That being said, maybe the outside anchor of a barrel nut helps focus the pressure points more evenly than a screw in job.

If that WERE true, ALL the mfgrs would be doing it, as I said before. That's a bullshit assumption on your part then. I have NEVER heard ANYONE but you ever say that. But then, I'm not near as gullible.................................................Kin gpin

I'm more apt to beleive that what effects rifle accuracy is the harmonics or flexing that results from the cumulative metal stress and bends as the bullet passes down the barrel.

Maybe that's why your lost with a GPS, compass, and map. If your barrel has a bend in it, it's not right, send it back to wherever you bought it.

 My self I've never seen the mating surfaces between the barrel and action on a Savage, but the buggers can shoot the pants of most other rifles right out of the box.  .. (I do beleive that).

How many do you own? If I believed that, that's all I'd own. There is a difference in beliefs and knowledge. The difference is you believe whatever people tell you. I know better. Also, you forgot to put the "I do believe that" in front of that statement................Kingpin



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Aw, King, give the guy (and the company) a break. I have a Savage 10FP that will be the last rifle I give up, after I've shot through all my Mauser ammo. It's on its second barrel, which I got from Sharp for like 280 bucks, screwed it on myself, and it shoots in the mid fours without even trying. When I try hard, and don't spaz, it shoots in the threes. That's fine shooting no matter how you look at it.

That's with NO blueprinting, the wavy, crummy recoil lug, the flexy black factory stock, and a Trashco scope. I did re-do the pillars and bed the thing so it lays down and dies, and lapped the scope rings, but that's it.

And it's great not to have to wait six weeks for a new pipe, but to have one in the closet ready to go.

Yes, the aesthetics reek. But AR's aren't beauty, either. Do I wish it had a different trigger system? Oh yah, but the one on it now is a four ouncer that is light years better than anything I have except a super-duper-kustom double set that came on a Mauser sporter I inherited.

I'll concede that it might be better if there was a way to have a bigger-shank barrel on a Savage (and that can be done if the gun is barreled and headspaced in the conventional manner) -- in fact, there's an article in Varmint Hunter about some guy who shot a 1.75, five shot, 1000 yard group in Colorado with a Savage that looks like it was barreled conventionally. Fluke? Maybe, but still the record on a record target with witnesses. Something HAD to go right for that to happen.

Now, if you want to gripe a mainstream gun maker, how about Ruger and their kooky third action screw that pulls the action down into a gaping maw? And inletting that barely supports the back tang screw?

This seems like a Ford-Chevy-Dodge kind of thing here. Far as I'm concerned, if it shoots, it shoots, even if it shouldn't.

 

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Dave,

I certainly agree with the comment on Ruger.  I've got some.  they are nicely finished great bluing and walnut.  But Bill's need for a "new design" gave us a piece of crap.  Both the angled screw and the proprietary scope mounts suck.

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Dave, being a shooter, I know what "threes" means. Think we ought to enlighten the non shooters? On any target I have ever seen (except for small bore) I have never seen a target with a three value, unless it was a moon scape target..................Kingpin

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