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    Posted: 23 January 2005 at 06:21

Hey look at this.. all the 4x4 nuts are tell'n me this is the way to go.

MUCH, MUCH safe, to use and it makes a portable winch like mine almost 20lbs or so lighter!!!!!!

http://www.rockstomper.com/catalog/recovery/ropes.htm

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So what size and length rope are ya gonna get Spot?  That stuff looks good to me. 
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It says that the 5/16th rope will replace what I've got and it's good for 14,500lbs.. so I guess I'll get a 125 ft of her.

I'll have to pay the last couple hundred off the winch before I get it but it takes some of the worries out of it.

I'll also have to replace the hawse fairlead with an alumin. one but there only 50 or 60 bucks so it's all good.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Rob1 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 January 2005 at 07:42
Neat idea if it works. ON a side note what the hell are people thinking when they set up their sites. A person can hardy read whats printed on the left side
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Just some thoughts.

Have you winched out a vehicle????  It is never picture book perfect.

The best is high quality steel cable, with a 20 foot "snatch" rope.  Cape doesn't stretch that is good.  But some stretch will actually help you by slowly applying pressure.  That is what a "snatch "rope is for; it slowly brings up the pressure and "builds" the force till the vehicle slowly moves.  This is really good if you have it stuck bad and want the 4 WD to help as the winch pulls.

ALL syn rope is bad.  It stretches its full length.  That means if you have 50 foot out you might need to get 15+ foot of stretch before the winch even begins to pull with 1000 pounds.

That stretch can get you in trouble, if you short line.  You can get so you can't relax the rope.

In addition the syn will never reel coil properly after the first time you use it.  Syn takes a set.  And when it winds under pressure it tightens against itself, you may get it so tight on the drum that it will not pull off freely.  If you are not stuck, it is good to have another vehicle pull it of, then reel the vehicle back on a driveway to keep only some pressure on the line.

Syn will snag an fray easier than steel, you need to check both.  Personally I think chain and a snatch rope are good.  Cable is also good.  I'd not load up any syn on a winch reel more than 5 layers.

Most of the times you get her stuck is where there isn't a tree, etc.  A good "Deadman" is the best extra weight to carry. 

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DaB Nabbit, don't these kids know anything about tradition. Next he will want a nylon saddle.
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Logging chains ...tire chains....maybe some bondage chains!  Chain is were it is at!LOL

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Gee fellers,

  All them 4x4 rum runners tell me it's regulations that require them to use the stuff... Other than that they love the stuff.

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"it's regulations"

More drunken 4x4 guys out there again!LOL   I'd trust the horse and mule ranglers more.....they are always drunk and make lots of sense.

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Spot, Free advise is worth what you pay for it.

That guy that says "syn rope just drops to the ground" is crazy and wrong.  Think of a rubber band breaking, the stored energy has to go some place! Movement is the only way to dissipate the energy, the more it stretches the more energy stored in the rope. SNAP.

I've personally broken syn lines while moving heavy objects.  The rope and anything attached will fly wildly.  I've seen them break and throw metal hooks hundreds of feet.

Now, my advise is free also...and worth the same.

What every you buy.  NEVER stand close to the cable/rope.  Be sure to get a remote switch/lever for the winch.  A friend lost part of his arm to a winch that was mechanically connected to the PTO (power  take off) on the front of his winch.  The mechanical brake/clutch levers were adjacent to the spool.  It was a 1965 Jeep and they didn't have any safety in those days.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Pedro Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 January 2005 at 05:51
Bear,
The syn rope they are talking about is spectra or kevlar. They have almost zero stretch, much less than steel. The tugboats all now use it, mostly beause when it breaks, it really does just fall down into the water. It does not slingshot back into the tug.
It does not have the abrasion resistance that steel does, however.
You are thinking of nylon, which stretches so bad, it is useless for winching.
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Thanks for the info Pedro.  If it doesn't stretch it would be great.  If you are lucky most of a winch ropes life shold be spent on the spoolWink.

Think I'll try some of the no-stretch stuff.  x-line?  But I'm keeping my steel logging chainsLOL (and the bondage ones also).

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Bear,

   For all it's worth, it took me a while to believe it also.

  Rockstomper.com has it the cheapest I've found... and this stuff weights 1/6th of the same type of cable.  ALL Good!!!

  Only thing is it's easier to tear up on rocks and such.. and as you said getting out is never easy, or a straight pull.  Synth rope requires a alum. or better yet plastic hawse fairlead but it's a hell of alot safer than steel wire.

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Sounds good to me.

I hate the steel cables as they also get burrs.  Man can that stuff cut your hands.  Heavy leather gloves only.  But some how I alway manage to get some of those deep razor cuts from loose strands.  Hurts just thinking about it.  Syn sounds better all the time spot.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote BrianW Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 February 2005 at 20:54
I run a simular kevlar line on the two cranes on my fishing boat.  I thought I had a better picture of the winches, but these will have to do...





I've noticed no stretch, at least none noticable with normal use.  It's not cheap stuff, and you don't want to knick it from what I here.  The USCG also recommends pulleys which are larger than used with cable.


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Brian,

   The pulleys thing makes good sense.

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