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    Posted: 15 June 2003 at 17:06

i have a simmons 2-7x44mm on my marlin 336cs, and i love it. wouldn't trade it for anything as it makes in my opinion the perfect rifle/scope combo for whitetail. here's why:

the .30-30 is a death ray on whitetail in the cottonwoods, river bottoms, brush, and alfalfa fields where whitetails are found. the 2-7 magnification is ideal for the ranges at which whitetails are found, i.e., out to 200 yards, which is perfectly inside the range of the .30-30. finally, the 44mm objective allows for clear, crisp and bright vision at dawn and dusk, which is the time that i see the greatest majority of whitetails in the habitat described above.

i have heard good and bad about simmons, but when speaking of this scope (the simmons 44mag) three things cannot be denied. the first is that this scope has FULLY MULTICOATED lenses, not just coated lenses, not just multicoated lenses, and not just the ocular and objective lenses. this is a sign of good quality, for they would hardly take the time to fully multicoat their low-end line of scopes. the second is that simmons has a lifetime warranty, which makes it a reasonable buy and a good investment. the final thing is that this scope is made in the phillipines, not in china. i cannot overstate the fact that a chinese scope is junk. japan, usa and germany probably make the best, followed by the phillipines and korea. any of these are more than adequate for hunting. all-in-all, the simmons 44mag is an affordable option when looking for quality optics. sure, we would all love to put leupolds and swarovskis (did i spell that right?) on our rifles, but this is not always economically feasable.

the relative "weight" of this scope is not much compared to the benefits, especially on a gun that is already light and can afford a couple of extra ounces. i found this scope and rifle combination to be lightweight and with a little practice and a 200-yard zero, you will be good out to 230 yards within an 8-inch kill-zone using 150-grain remington core-lokts. you will be able to take any shot that you might encounter with confidence that comes from being able to see it clearly, which will improve your chances for a good shot and a clean kill.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 June 2003 at 06:28

Neither of my .30-30 rifles are drilled and tapped. The Winchester 94 is top eject, and there is no way in hell i am going to use a side scope mount. My Marlin 336A i want to keep as original as possible so as maybe later generations may be able to live better, because they have something that is worth a lot of money to them if they sold it when they were in need.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 June 2003 at 10:14
Now that my eyes are starting to age..... I find that I need to scope my rifles. How is that eye reief on your Simmons? The reason I ask is I have a 3X9 Simmons and the eye relief was too short for my Sav. 99. It now resides on my 10/22. Damn scope is as big as that little rifle, but jeez it works good! I was told that Simmons makes Cabelas "Pine Ridge" line of scopes. Know anything about that? I had been planning on puting a fixed 4X on the 30/30, but that variable you have looks good. Not too big. Also, do you have any problems with a wandering zero? Thanks, Jeff.  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 June 2003 at 11:35

soggy -

haven't had any problems with the zero at all. pocketnavy had it before i did briefly, and used it on a .30-06. he also said that he had no problems with the zero.

i have never paid attention to the eye relief, but it seems fine to me, same as any other rifle and scope i have ever used, which must put it between 3 and 4 inches, i guess.

don't know anything about the cabela's/simmons connection, but it wouldn't surprise me. this scope retailed around 140-150$, i picked it up for 70$ and consier it a dang good buy. like i said in the original post, it is, in my opinion a great whitetail scope on a great whitetail rifle.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 June 2003 at 12:03

Maybe eventually, i will buy another marlin and put a scope on it. For some reason, lever actions seem to handle better with iron sights than with a scope. It is easier to carry because you dont have the scope in the way so you can hold it on the action.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 June 2003 at 12:23

Hi Ron  >>  I don't mind scopes on lever actions, at all.  I'm a scope kind of guy anyway.  One of my buddies bought himself a TC .223 that came with a Leupold Vari-X II 4-12x40mm dot.  For one reason or another, he hated the dot.  And I wasn't particularly pleased with the feel of that old Burris Fullfield 3-9x on the .307 so I told him I'd trade him scopes and throw in $50.  He said yes.

That Leupold fits on the 94 pretty well.  Probably don't need 4-12x on it, but we'll make it work    .  Chat with ya later.  >>  klallen 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 June 2003 at 12:26

A 4-12x40 on a Winchester 94?????????? I like the dot, but i dont think they have them in the lower powered scopes. The 4-12 i think is a little much for a Win 94 and the .307 Win, which i think i have read is a rimmed -08?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 June 2003 at 13:16

Hey NH, on 4x it's no disadvantage.  Noone says I gotta turn it up to 12x when hunting the river bottoms    .  Besides, my thoughts in getting the scope were more along the lines of trading $250 of what I had for $400 of what he had.  Never really thought he'd go for it.  The Leupold will set on the .307 till I get something a little more suited for the magnification.  That said, I think a 4x dot scope would work real well in darn near every realistic shooting situation for a .307.  Guess we'll just have to see.  This season will be its first.  Later.  >>  klallen

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 June 2003 at 13:48

Hey korey, there is some bulk winchester .307 brass on gunbroker. 100 cases for 32 bucks. the url is this... http://www.gunbroker.com/auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=9812828. Just thought you might be interested.

Does Leupold make the 2-7x33 VX-2 with a Luepy dot? That would be awesome for all my hunting needs. It is probably easier to place a dot than the intersection of two line segments.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 June 2003 at 13:49

I just found out that leupy does make  the 2-7x33 VX2 with a leupy dot! I need to find one of these for sale somewhere!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 June 2003 at 14:07

krey, that winchester looks GREAT! scope on it looks great too.

i may never take my scope above 4x, but it's good to know that the extra mag is there when i need it. i imagine your thoughts run about the same~

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 June 2003 at 15:26

Thanks Ron.  That 94 came in just an obscure enough cartridge to force me to wet my "lever action" whistle with it.  Haven't been able to get any reloading going for it yet.  Firing up some old factory stuff I tripped over at the last gun show here in GF.  This guy was selling it for darn near as cheap as .307 brass would cost me.  Couldn't pass that up.  Just plinking away, now.  Accuracy's inchish at 100.  Certainly acceptable.  Interested to see how reloading will improve on this.

I don't know what it is exactly, but lever actions have a certain class to them.  I'm glad I finally got myself one.  It's a ball to play with.

By the way, nice Marlin, too.  I think that will be the make of the next lever action I get.  Been looking through the 2003 Marlin catalog for a while now.  The 1895MR in .450 Marlin and the 444 in (obviously) .444 Marlin have really caught my eye.  I've been trying to decide which I want and have kind of resigned myself to the fact that eventually, they'll both be finding their way into the safe    .  Nice looking little powerhouses.  Take it easy.  >>  korey



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 July 2003 at 00:05

Hey korey, i think you should get the .450 Marlin. The .444 loses energy soo fast. One good thing with the .444 is that you get a lot of power up close with babyish recoil. My dad bought a Marlin 444S with the 22" barrel and it handles pretty nicely. Action is wonderfully smooth.

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