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    Posted: 07 July 2004 at 09:43

do i have any volunteers for this? i'd like someone to post step-by-step, easy to follow instructions for glass-bedding a rifle, which is one step in the accurization process. i COULd go out and copy and paste an article from the internet of course, but considering the talent here, let's see what we can do.

things such as a list of materials needed, estimate of the cost and the time it will take to do the project would be good too.

let's see if we really CAN make BSB "the sportzman'z rescouce!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 July 2004 at 14:45

 

Winker,

 That's a tall order that assumes a lot of things. How about we start with a stock that is made of material that will bond to bedding material, and has had enough material REMOVED to allow for adequate compond to fit in there. Stock prep before bedding is a big deal. Simply flowing in the goop and screwing things back together won't solve any problems. So I'll start with getting the stock right. Rasping out the barrel channel, further inletting the recoil lug mortise, taking material out of the trigger recess, over drilling the action screw holes and maybe taking some off under the front reciever ring are all things that may or may not be needed. So If the stock is ready, first thing to do is remove the trigger and bolt release if equipped, and of course anything else hung on there, and plug all holes in the recieverto avoid bedding compound getting where it ain't wanted. Play dough works as does oil based modeling clay like Roma Plastalina- same stuff body armour companys and the Nation Inst of Justice use to test vests. So the barreled action is plugged, clean, smooth and coated with a release agent. Front and rear action screw holes are also coated- these are not filled with clay of course. Also coat the screws and bottom metal if it is to be used to clamp things back. Some folks use another method. On a rifle with a magazine well a man should coat the inside of the action rails too. Another preliminary step is to tape off the top edge of the stock all around so that nice shiney finish is protected from squeezed out stuff.

I willl shut up now and wait for somebody else. I will begin a material and tool list tho;

wood rasps, chisels or gouges, 80 grit paper and appropriate sized dowell rod, and dremel tool with straight cutting bottoming bit for the brave. 3/8 bit for enlarging screw holes. 16 inch chain saw if working on a Savage stock.  Brownell's Catalog and cell phone and beer for ordering new stock just in case. Extra action screws. Shop rags. A nice flat piece of formica upon which to mix bedding compound. A cabinet maker gave me a big box of color sample pieces of counter top material. About six inches square. Perfect. Throw them away when done. Oh yes, a box of pop sickle sticks is nice for applying and mixing stuff. And some Tangueray.

It is now some one else's turn.

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Home made or other cradle to hold stock while hacking on it

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 July 2004 at 16:10

ok, i'll throw a couple pennies into the ring... one thing i've learned is that there are many different ways to do it, and not many are blatantly wrong...so, this is how i do it for my rifles:

prep work... this can't be overstated. i like to start w/ a free floating barrel. next, i get a tube of lipstick from my wife*, and put a sanding drum on the dremel. i begin by removing all the lacquer/sealer/stuff from the action area. then i 'paint' the bottom of the action w/ lipstick (red shows the best, but use whatever color turns ya on), and put the rifle back into the stock (carefully). then, press down firmly (not hard) on the center of the action. pull the rifle back out of the stock (carefully). you'll see spots, lines, and areas on the wood that have lipstick on them. dremel these spots w/ the sanding drum. put the action back into the stock, and press down again. pull it out and dremel again. repeat this process until you can push down on the action, and find no lipstick on the wood. it doesn't take too long - maybe 45 minutes.

ok, the hardest part of the stock work is done, and it takes about 30 minutes to do that part. next part of the stock work:

take the sanding drum off the dremel, and replace it w/ a cutter. the cutter i use looks very much like a mini- circle-saw blade, and is about 1/8" thick, 1/4" in diameter. i put several deep gouges in the entire area to be bedded. typically, i will carve 4 straight lines around the front action screw hole; 1 set of lines that run paralell to each other going across the stock, and 1 set that runs 'with' the stock. then a single long line over 50% or more of the length of the rail on each side, and then a last, small 'box' around the tang screw. last, i create a dam for where i want the compound to stop. i locate the dam at as close to where the cartridge's shoulder/neck area as i can get it. ok, stock prep is done and that step took about 15 minutes, less if you are comfy w/ your dremel.

now... metal prep. first, locate everything that will create a mechanical lock (on remingtons there is none except the trigger, savages probably should have that little hole behind the recoil lug and the bottom of the barrel nut filled), and fill w/ play-do (note, this stuff dries out and shrinks, so you have to bed within a few hours of putting the stuff in - also note that it will discolor your bolt). scrape the play-do off so that it fills the holes flush, no more. next, put a piece of masking tape over the gas ports. i don't remove triggers for this process, so i use masking tape to tape the whole works off, and then fill any voids w/ play-do. i like 2 layers of tape on the bottom, sides, and front of the recoil lug - none at all on the back of it. once you are sure the mechanical locks are taken care of, and everything plugged that you don't want the stuff into, go ahead and apply release agent. better safe than sorry, so use a lot more than you think you need. ok, almost done, and another 45 minutes shot...

this step is critical: get your action screws centered in their holes. it is the job of the recoil lug to handle recoil, not the screws... center the screws by wrapping masking tape around them until you can barely get them in their holes. once you are satisfied they are centered, or close to it, apply release agent generously. the bedding compound will likely run into the holes during the bedding process, so i always drill the holes out slightly oversized as a matter of course during the clean-up process. but centering them now will help locate your action where it needs to be... 15 minute job.

do as max points out and tape off the top of your stock, too, its only 10 minutes, and will save you hours in the clean up stage...

when you pour the bedding in, make sure to put enough in to fill all the voids, and have the stuff run out...

i use the action screws to tighten the rifle to the stock. snug 'em up is all... i don't torque them down, but they are certainly not loose. now, set the gun on the cradle that max mentioned, and put it someplace warm, arid, and completely out of the way. you won't even look at the gun again for at least 12 hours, and 24 hours is better... after 12-24 hours has passed, go ahead and break the screws loose, and then put them right back where you had them, and put the gun away again... you still have another 36 hours or so to wait before you should mess w/ it.

 

* - your wife will be pissed about the lipstick, so it is best to throw it out, and not return it, and then deny any knowledge of it whatsoever. i am dead serious.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 July 2004 at 21:43
Here is a link for finishing a stock there is another for glass
bedding out there a on hunting or varmint site.
http://home.earthlink.net/~greene2003/finish.html
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 July 2004 at 14:19

 

OK.

 So we have our stock all ready to go, taped off along the barrel channel and action and all the sawdust blown away. It is setting in the cradle, or somehow supported with the barrel channel horizontal. When we test fit our barrelled action, sans (without for Wankers) trigger, it drops easily into the slightly larger inletting but does not fall down too low into the stock. If it does we have removed too much wood someplace. On a Remington I leave a little island of wood around the front reciever screw hole and a little piece behind the rear hole under the tang. As Dakota mentioned, the reciever can now rock a bit sideways, as the recoil lug recess is nice and roomy, waiting for the glass. It can move forward and back a little too. The barrel should not touch anything. If all seems proper we now coat the metal with mold release. I prefer Acrageeze from Brownell. It is a spray and needs no drying time before bedding. At my age it is always risky to wait on things. So we spray down the metal, and the barrel all the way around and out past where you think the compound will go. Do the spraying away from the wood stock. We don't want any overspray touching wood. Now prop the sprayed action/bbl on its rear tang and lean it's barrel end against the wall. Mix up the goop of choice on a nice flat surface that you can get for free by asking ol Max to send you some. When mixed apply into the stock with popsicle sticks. Don't get too close to the action screw holes. The stuff will run there when everything goes together and we want that area dry for a bit. Make sure plenty goes into the action recoil lug mortise and along the action rail area of the stock. Be a little stingy near that rear screw hole. If You didn't go crazy with a chisel or (GASP) Dremel tool, it won't take much here anyway. I don't put any in front of the recoil lug. I've done it both ways and prefer the barrel to hang out there in mid air, unless the bbl countour is heavier than a big sporter. When it all looks just perfect, and you've got bedding compound on your good shirt that your wife told you to change before starting, ask her to come help for a second. When she gets there you assemble the floor plate assembly with screws- coated with release agent of course, and push it up into the stock and have her hold it there while you lower the bblled action down into the stock. If your hold you mouth just right the action screws will be sticking up above the sea of bedding compound, in the center of that nice safe little island of wood, and the screws can get a start into the action threads without swimming thru bedding compound. STart the screws and snug up the front one first, then the rear. Snug is good enough if you have a nice even flow of squeezed out compound all along both sides of the action. Amounts depend upon how much you slopped in there. I can usually feel if things are right when I push the action down into the bedding compound. The floor plate SHOULD orient the screws vertically and for and aft. If you inletted too sloppily and glass in that action with the recoil lug rolled to one side, not straight up and down, you will say bad words when trying to get it back out of the stock when the stuff is cured. If you have just a little squeeze out yu can clean up the edges with a q-tip soaked in acra eeze. With bigger globs wait until the stuff firms up quite a bit and it will cut off nice and clean with one of those pop sicle sticks you have sharped to look like a scewed chisel or sanded down to a knife like edge. Wait until the stuff is firm befor trying to dress it up. If not you migh wipe off release agent with the wet goop and make a mess you won't like.

I will co-sign on Dakotas advice with one exception. I always sneek in and turn each screw a tiny fraction- maybe 1/8 turn and then back, about 2 hours into the cure. It won't jepordize anything and gives me peace of mind that I haven't gotten a big wad of compound up into the front reciever ring, pushed there by the screw. That is a bad deal and the reason to try and get that front screw touching the hole in the reciever without much compound with it. I have plugged that front hole with clay and pushed the clay up into the action. When in doubt I have also wet down the rciever inside with releae agent before putiing the action down into the stock.

I am too anxious to wait 24 hours and usually get a job bedded in the evening and take it loose the next morning. That can be an adventure too and another installment.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 July 2004 at 15:14

Ive seen it done a couple of way's....

One is apply'n tape to the barrel underside to literally raise up the whole action and lay'n in the goop.

Another way as described above where you take away wood up to the wholes, and yet one more way where you take out a long groove of wood in the middle and leave the sides for contact then goop her, when that's hard cut the side wood out and goop the sides.

What gun are you gonna bed?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 July 2004 at 16:07
 I look at glass bedding as a fix and not a improvement. With variables that come with commerical manufacture and hacks like me doing their own semi's and such it makes up for poor inletting. If it's done right like the masters of the craft do it, glass bedding isn't neccessary and is in fact looked upon as a flaw. That being said I'm only looking to get even contact along the surface of the action with no pressure points. That usually doesn't mean removing a lot of wood. I remove potential high spots and prep the surface for good adhesion. I don't remove a lot of wood behind the recoil lug as end grain is tough as it is. I don't tighten screws real tight if at all. I use rubber surgical tubing wrapped around the action most of the time.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 July 2004 at 00:28

Rob,

   Glass is a what??

   Ya know some of us crazy people take our gun's out into the rain, for day's even...  I look at bedding as a way to counter woods nature of absorbing water and also helping the compression thing go away.

  Try this... Torque your action down to where you think it's right.

Then take it apart but carefully unscrew the action and count the turns to get it undone.  Then put the action together without the stock and measure the distance between the bolt and base of the action.  NOW make that measurement on the wood and look at the "uncompressed" difference...  I normally see at least .05" and if the wood is not high quailty it will be even higher... or course the inletting has something to do with it, but not everything.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 July 2004 at 00:39

 

 Amen Brother. Headless action screws screwed into the reciever and THEN coated with mold release and pushed down into the stock is the Kosher way.

I also like my recoil lug bedded tight on the sides and not touching on the bottom. I don't use tape but take a few swipes with a file on the bottom of the lug after bedding. I don't like trying to dig out that tape from the lug mortise.

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