GMC has cancer

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   My beloved GMC envoy has cancer.  Holes in frame are 3" diameter and some 3x4".  frame welds are falling off.

The body looks perfect except for a small dent where a doe ran into me.  I really like that car.  Can not get an inspection sticker and no one wants try to weld her up.  must be off highway by 30th.

Being German, I tend to be ultra Thrifty.

With much pain I bought a new Ford Explorer.  Lots of high tech stuff I don't like, and no frame.  All for a sinfully expense!

But I did save money by rebuilding a toilet flush valve yesterday... so I saved $20 and spent 35k.  my wife tries to cheer me up saying "look at it this way it could be worse, you don't have cancer that we know of".

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BEAR Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Administrator Joined: 07 September 2013 Location: Appalachian Mtn Status: Offline Points: 14390	Post Options Post Reply Quote BEAR Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: GMC has cancer Posted: 14 November 2014 at 03:43
	My beloved GMC envoy has cancer. Holes in frame are 3" diameter and some 3x4". frame welds are falling off. The body looks perfect except for a small dent where a doe ran into me. I really like that car. Can not get an inspection sticker and no one wants try to weld her up. must be off highway by 30th. Being German, I tend to be ultra Thrifty. With much pain I bought a new Ford Explorer. Lots of high tech stuff I don't like, and no frame. All for a sinfully expense! But I did save money by rebuilding a toilet flush valve yesterday... so I saved $20 and spent 35k. my wife tries to cheer me up saying "look at it this way it could be worse, you don't have cancer that we know of".

Wing master Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Administrator AKA StraightShooter Joined: 10 June 2003 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 8029	Post Options Post Reply Quote Wing master Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 14 November 2014 at 05:43
	Isn't it nice to know that YOUR tax dollars went to buy salt to put on the roads so your car could rust out? Around here, they used a finely crushed gravel since the beginning of cars on streets and intersections. The gravel came from pits allready owned by the city and state, so the material was free except for the cost of going and getting it. It worked great. A few years ago the rocket scientists that run our city's government decided it was a good idea to spend more of our tax dollars to buy a liquid salt solution to put on the streets to melt ice and snow. Now, our vehicles are rusting out too. Anyway, Congratulations on the new Ranger. It's always fun to get a new vehicle. Wing master
	I have always considered myself to be quite the bullshitter, But ocasionally it is nice to sit back and listen to a true professional......So, Carry on.

BEAR Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Administrator Joined: 07 September 2013 Location: Appalachian Mtn Status: Offline Points: 14390	Post Options Post Reply Quote BEAR Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 14 November 2014 at 05:50
	Explorer a cross-over vehicle which means no frame!!! ugh

Wing master Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Administrator AKA StraightShooter Joined: 10 June 2003 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 8029	Post Options Post Reply Quote Wing master Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 14 November 2014 at 08:49
	No frame? I didn't know about that. Is that kinda like the unibody cars? No frame no rust. Ha Ha. Yeah right. Wing master
	I have always considered myself to be quite the bullshitter, But ocasionally it is nice to sit back and listen to a true professional......So, Carry on.

BEAR Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Administrator Joined: 07 September 2013 Location: Appalachian Mtn Status: Offline Points: 14390	Post Options Post Reply Quote BEAR Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 14 November 2014 at 12:27
	yep cheap $h1t. no frame rust for me. I keep them long time and lots of miles....might be my last car. unibody.

Tikkabuck Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Administrator Robert E. Lee IV Joined: 10 June 2003 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 8740	Post Options Post Reply Quote Tikkabuck Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 15 November 2014 at 02:53
	No frame ?????? YIKES
	God,Mother,Country,and Hot Rods. Done with political crap.LOL

BEAR Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Administrator Joined: 07 September 2013 Location: Appalachian Mtn Status: Offline Points: 14390	Post Options Post Reply Quote BEAR Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 15 November 2014 at 04:15
	cross-over vehicles are cars with bodies made to look like SUVs. Every year the auto industry takes an does a survey asking people what they want. using functional terms ... like how many doors, how tall, how much gas , etc. For the last 15 years people define they want a station wagon vehicle...but cars called station wagon or mini-van have a bad selling because of all the negative feminist TV. so they now call them cross-overs not station wagons. I'll love a '55 Ford station wagon with the wood framed doors...in blue, 6 cycl in line with OH valves and a 2 barrel.

CB900F Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Administrator Honor, Integrity Joined: 10 June 2003 Location: Eritrea Status: Offline Points: 8857	Post Options Post Reply Quote CB900F Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 15 November 2014 at 05:38
	BEAR; I believe the whole point of the cross-over is that it's a station wagon with the ability to go 4WD. Something you didn't commonly see on the '55 Ford. But, it's coming to this household too. Mama 900F is going to put the faithful old mini-van out to pasture one of these months pretty soon now & go shopping. I expect to see just that type of vehicle come back with her. 900F
	Birth certificate!? He don't need no steenkink birth certificate!!

BEAR Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Administrator Joined: 07 September 2013 Location: Appalachian Mtn Status: Offline Points: 14390	Post Options Post Reply Quote BEAR Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 16 November 2014 at 02:21
	lots of similar vehicles to the Explorer. I also checker out the GMC/chevy line. liked the surban and the Yukon...but more vehickle than I need and less gas mileage than I want.

CB900F Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Administrator Honor, Integrity Joined: 10 June 2003 Location: Eritrea Status: Offline Points: 8857	Post Options Post Reply Quote CB900F Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 16 November 2014 at 05:13
	BEAR; I understand, the daughter has a Yukon. It's a nice vehicle, but the mileage is not the best. What didn't you like about the GM Acadia? Did you limit yourself to American units only, therefore no Rav4, CRV, Rogue, etc? 900F
	Birth certificate!? He don't need no steenkink birth certificate!!

BEAR Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Administrator Joined: 07 September 2013 Location: Appalachian Mtn Status: Offline Points: 14390	Post Options Post Reply Quote BEAR Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 16 November 2014 at 05:55
	Yes...American only. The explorer was slightly bigger with more towing capacity. I like Ford better than the union and government controlled GMC. CMC/Chevy didn't make the buying process easy. As a result of the government restructure. GMC is forbidden to give out model booklets to dealers...government control!!!! Ford gave me a well written booklet with all the spec (fuel, interior room, towing capacity, gas tank, etc. At GMC/Chevy I had to ask the questions ad write down the answers. Some times I felt the sale rep was making up the answers as they don't have a book to look into. I drove them all, liked the Ford Flex the best but it didn't have 4WD, only all wheel drive....but it was the most comfortable and roomy.

jsgbearpaws1 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List .416 Rigby Joined: 02 March 2013 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3606	Post Options Post Reply Quote jsgbearpaws1 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 16 November 2014 at 06:41
	How odd that I missed this. Just got my wittle Ranger back after having a new set of frame rails welded in from the cab back. New crossmembers, bed brackets, and sheet metal for the underside of the bed for a grand.I can get you a complete frame for your envoy if you still have it for a couple hundred bucks if you are interested? Johny-U-Pull across from Muellers auto salvage in "toon" town. Make for a nice winter project after the hunting is done and the fishing hasn't begun. Still a Jeep guy myself, wife is now too. She has the Compass wannabe but it's still 4 wheel drive and 26 highway. The verdict isn't in on that variable speed trainy yet though....time will tell the tale.
	...oh yeah! thats gonna hurt!

Wing master Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Administrator AKA StraightShooter Joined: 10 June 2003 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 8029	Post Options Post Reply Quote Wing master Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 16 November 2014 at 06:50
	My wifes last car was a Chevrolet Tahoe. It was the shorter model. it had 4 wheel drive. I don't remember the average gas milage, but on the highway it would get 19 miles per gallon. And thats with me driving like a wild man. Thats like between 80 and 85 miles per hour. Thats probably not the best milage, but it's pretty good compared to my pickup. A 1987 3/4 ton Chevrolet that my grandaughter lovingly refers to as ol' Rusty. It gets about ten miles per gallon on a good day. The Tahoe was pretty comfortable and had a tow package. I only towed something with it one time, but it did good. Wing master
	I have always considered myself to be quite the bullshitter, But ocasionally it is nice to sit back and listen to a true professional......So, Carry on.