22 Creed 20" 80 gr ELDM

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I have a very good load with my 75 gr HPBT sub 1/2" around 3100 fps.

  This test is with 80gr ELD M same powder I'm getting 3/4" around the same speed. We tried a half grain more but had some primer presser signs, backing off a bit. They actually shot a bit slower and a 1.5 group. 

One 1/2 grain less dropped the speed by 100 fps and opened up to around 2" at 100.

So I guess with the 80's I'll go with this load.

$.26 each for $65 250 vs $.16 $40 for 250 for the 75 HP's  

$25 is $25 the only advantage I see would be if I'm shooting 400 yards or more.

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d4570 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List .416 Rigby Joined: 27 January 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 9961	Post Options Post Reply Quote d4570 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: 22 Creed 20" 80 gr ELDM Posted: 14 January 2026 at 14:01
	I have a very good load with my 75 gr HPBT sub 1/2" around 3100 fps. This test is with 80gr ELD M same powder I'm getting 3/4" around the same speed. We tried a half grain more but had some primer presser signs, backing off a bit. They actually shot a bit slower and a 1.5 group. One 1/2 grain less dropped the speed by 100 fps and opened up to around 2" at 100. So I guess with the 80's I'll go with this load. $.26 each for $65 250 vs $.16 $40 for 250 for the 75 HP's $25 is $25 the only advantage I see would be if I'm shooting 400 yards or more.
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BEAR Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Administrator Joined: 07 September 2013 Location: Appalachian Mtn Status: Offline Points: 14390	Post Options Post Reply Quote BEAR Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 14 January 2026 at 15:33
	I forgot, what twist?
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d4570 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List .416 Rigby Joined: 27 January 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 9961	Post Options Post Reply Quote d4570 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 14 January 2026 at 16:16
	1X8. I kind of wanted 7.5 but that is another offering, predictor or go wild I don't remember which but a hundred bucks more. It dose 80 cup and core but only 77gr all copper, there longer. the faster will take 92 gr I hear.
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Wing master Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Administrator AKA StraightShooter Joined: 10 June 2003 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 8029	Post Options Post Reply Quote Wing master Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 14 January 2026 at 19:52
	How much flatter does it shoot the heavier bullets? I'm sure they will busk the wind better.
	I have always considered myself to be quite the bullshitter, But ocasionally it is nice to sit back and listen to a true professional......So, Carry on.

d4570 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List .416 Rigby Joined: 27 January 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 9961	Post Options Post Reply Quote d4570 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 14 January 2026 at 20:42
	The 75 may be a little flatter to like 200 but the higher bc of the 80s kick in past that. It's easy to adjust for drop it's the wind that kills us out west.
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BEAR Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Administrator Joined: 07 September 2013 Location: Appalachian Mtn Status: Offline Points: 14390	Post Options Post Reply Quote BEAR Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 15 January 2026 at 10:01
	Just thinking. Cross wind drift (100% from one side) is based upon three things: Bullet weight Time of flight Side surface area of bullet If bullet weight is the same (80 gr), and the velocity is the same is the same.. then the difference in drift between a .243 and a ..224 bullet depends upon the side surface of the bullet. The .224 has 20% more side surface, more drift. But since the BC of the longer .224 bullet is going to keep its time of flight shorter that will help. the time of flight is going to be 20% less when the drop at distance is at 45% greater for the 243. Assuming both start at 3600 fps as an example the 243 bullet drops 45% more that the .224 bullet at 1335 yards. I think this is correct, but it did take me half hour to do the calculations (math errors???). So there is little or no advantage on cross winds. With head winds the side of the bullet has no effect and the bullet with the better Bc always wins on Time of flight but in either bullet there is no lateral drift. The BC of a bullet isn't a good judge of wind drift; it helps but bullet length is a big factor. larger diameter bullets have shorter length for a given bullet weight. Snowing and cold so I didn't have much to do today, except shovel. Edited by BEAR - 15 January 2026 at 10:09
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d4570 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List .416 Rigby Joined: 27 January 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 9961	Post Options Post Reply Quote d4570 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 15 January 2026 at 10:37
	WOW, bear that's a lot of calculating. I do shoot a 6mm 80 gr at 3600+ I would not compare a 22 creed with any bullet, to my 6mm. I don't know the calculations but I've seen the six kill BIG mule deer at 450+. I would always pick the 6 over any 22 for big game. Just my preference. PS: If I knew I was likely to have to shoot a deer at over 450 yards I'd bring my 8mm.
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BEAR Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Administrator Joined: 07 September 2013 Location: Appalachian Mtn Status: Offline Points: 14390	Post Options Post Reply Quote BEAR Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 15 January 2026 at 10:50
	Was just thinking 'otes at 500 yards. The wind 'thing' just sucks. Shooting at PDs in MT, WY, SD has been a total disaster on windy days. My bro' shoots a 22-250 for dogs, and I remember a day in SD that his bullets were flying 10 foot on 300+ yard shots, with no consistency. My 243 with 80 grs were holding much better. I always wondered how going to 80 gr 224 bullets would do, but suspected the extra length would hurt. and it seems to hurt considerably. Thinking that the longer Barnes/copper bullets would be worse as they are much longer than jacketed lead. Of course the manufactures seldom discuss wind drift. In the last 15 years bullet dessigbers have greatly improved the BCs. Of course we worry about that, but under 300 yards it doesn't make much difference to me.
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d4570 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List .416 Rigby Joined: 27 January 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 9961	Post Options Post Reply Quote d4570 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 16 January 2026 at 14:49
	Wind is a disaster. I'm sticking to regular HPBT more for cost than anything else, 12 to 16 cents each vs 50 cents to over a dollar each for copper. AI says this. For a .22 caliber 75 gr HPBT bullet (such as the Hornady BTHP Match) launched at 3,200 fps, the wind drift at 500 yards is approximately 19.5 to 22 inches in a 10 mph full-value crosswind. For a .22 caliber 80 gr ELD Match (ELD-M) bullet launched at a muzzle velocity of 3200 fps, the estimated wind drift at 500 yards in a standard 10 mph full-value (90-degree) crosswind is approximately 13.5 to 14.5 inches (roughly 2.6 to 2.8 MOA). Not to bad If you know the wind speed and such. For my 8mm For an 8mm 200 grain bullet (approximating the Stone Hammer® with an estimated G1 Ballistic Coefficient (BC) of .431) launched at 3,200 fps, the estimated wind drift at 500 yards in a standard 10 mph full-value crosswind is approximately 18 to 22 inches. Edited by d4570 - 16 January 2026 at 14:50
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Wing master Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Administrator AKA StraightShooter Joined: 10 June 2003 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 8029	Post Options Post Reply Quote Wing master Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 16 January 2026 at 19:56
	Wow. I would have thought the 8mm would have been quite a bit less. I thought the 8mm being 2 1/2 times the weight would make them blow around less.
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BEAR Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Administrator Joined: 07 September 2013 Location: Appalachian Mtn Status: Offline Points: 14390	Post Options Post Reply Quote BEAR Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 17 January 2026 at 06:38
	REmember bullet weight means a lot for wind drift. remember the light weight car (1800#) at 60 mph vs a 3200 # car driving on a highway. little light cars get blown. same with bullets. D's example shows that there is not significant improvement in going from 75 to 80 grain bullets... about 5" or 1 MOA at 500 yards. can anyone dope wind and 1moa? But these things get better if you are shooting at 1-200 yards...because the time of flight is progressively longer due to the reduced velocity at that range. Most long range shooter know that they need to compensate for wind drift...if it is 30 inches or 36" doesn't matter. D also a 10 mph cross wind where you and Wing are are is a calm day... maybe a 25-06 with 120 grain bullets would work best. Could be that a suppressor and a spotter is the only way critter doesn't know he is being shot at and spotter can say 2 foot left!
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d4570 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List .416 Rigby Joined: 27 January 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 9961	Post Options Post Reply Quote d4570 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 17 January 2026 at 09:54
	The 80 gr has a little better BC. If I was planning to shoot P dogs at an outfitters property with concrete benched that START at 600 yards and get longer I would defiantly go to the 80's or use the GD's 7x57 and a 140 gr.300 to 350 yards on a walk about hunt is about the limit for "Good" shots we always try longer ones but there is a LOT of luck past that. I did notice it said if the wind doubles the drift doubles. so on a "Calm" day 10mph your moving 14" . An a "Breezy" day 20 mph its around 28" now your off a coyote, on a windy day 30 mph its 56" now your off a deer. THEN when the wind IS BLOWING say 40 mph, you may as well stay home... As Wing and you know we can have all the above on one stock. Edited by d4570 - 17 January 2026 at 10:01
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BEAR Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Administrator Joined: 07 September 2013 Location: Appalachian Mtn Status: Offline Points: 14390	Post Options Post Reply Quote BEAR Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 17 January 2026 at 10:01
	Even worse, the crosswind often varies along the bullet path. Sometimes it will be going right then reverse to left. try and figure those out.
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d4570 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List .416 Rigby Joined: 27 January 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 9961	Post Options Post Reply Quote d4570 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 17 January 2026 at 10:02
	YA BOY!
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Wing master Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Administrator AKA StraightShooter Joined: 10 June 2003 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 8029	Post Options Post Reply Quote Wing master Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 17 January 2026 at 22:26
	Wind is definately a problem in this part of the country. Earlier this week we had 40 mph sustained winds with 70 mph gusts. This has been off and on for the last few weeks. I have a 400 yard limit on big game animals. I don't go out in wind like we've been having but at that distance it's usually not a big thing.
	I have always considered myself to be quite the bullshitter, But ocasionally it is nice to sit back and listen to a true professional......So, Carry on.

BEAR Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Administrator Joined: 07 September 2013 Location: Appalachian Mtn Status: Offline Points: 14390	Post Options Post Reply Quote BEAR Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 18 January 2026 at 07:34
	And D is hunting winter 'otes when the winter winds seem worse to me.
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Wing master Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Administrator AKA StraightShooter Joined: 10 June 2003 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 8029	Post Options Post Reply Quote Wing master Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 18 January 2026 at 11:00
	He's a lot tougher than I am. He also has a lot more fun.
	I have always considered myself to be quite the bullshitter, But ocasionally it is nice to sit back and listen to a true professional......So, Carry on.

BEAR Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Administrator Joined: 07 September 2013 Location: Appalachian Mtn Status: Offline Points: 14390	Post Options Post Reply Quote BEAR Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 18 January 2026 at 11:29
	Remember he has a Tom Selleck mustache!!! tough guy!
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