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   WAY back when Joe was sending me money I ordered a shot mold. I got it Monday. I normally use lead F .22 caliber shot for my 3" coyote shot shell loads.But since I could get any size I wanted I got lead TT .21 caliber shot mold. I can get two more pellets in my shell and practically the same ballistics.
The lead I'm using comes out at 14gr per shot.
At 1300 fps It should pernitrate 3" of gel at 70 yards ish.

Dang labor intensive, the mold has 4 cavities 3 pellets each on both sides so 24 pellets each pour.
Each shell hold 46 pellets you can see that's a lot of casting. The trimming uses 2 times more lead than the shot.
But what the heck I have shot now. I made 5 pounds of Lead TT shot today. The lead is old 45 caliber bullets picked op at an indoor range, for what ever that make them.
I water quenched them as I cast.
I'll run them in a tumbler with graphite powder for a wail till there nice and round.
34 to 36 gr of steel powder and a roll crimp or fold I'll see what fits the best.
NOW If I can find a coyote...

Edited by d4570 - 27 July 2021 at 10:58

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d4570 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List .416 Rigby Joined: 27 January 2004 Location: United States Status: Online Points: 9961	Post Options Post Reply Quote d4570 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: One month short of a year later UP DATE Posted: 24 July 2021 at 17:06
	WAY back when Joe was sending me money I ordered a shot mold. I got it Monday. I normally use lead F .22 caliber shot for my 3" coyote shot shell loads. But since I could get any size I wanted I got lead TT .21 caliber shot mold. I can get two more pellets in my shell and practically the same ballistics. The lead I'm using comes out at 14gr per shot. At 1300 fps It should pernitrate 3" of gel at 70 yards ish. Dang labor intensive, the mold has 4 cavities 3 pellets each on both sides so 24 pellets each pour. Each shell hold 46 pellets you can see that's a lot of casting. The trimming uses 2 times more lead than the shot. But what the heck I have shot now. I made 5 pounds of Lead TT shot today. The lead is old 45 caliber bullets picked op at an indoor range, for what ever that make them. I water quenched them as I cast. I'll run them in a tumbler with graphite powder for a wail till there nice and round. 34 to 36 gr of steel powder and a roll crimp or fold I'll see what fits the best. NOW If I can find a coyote... Edited by d4570 - 27 July 2021 at 10:58
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Wing master Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Administrator AKA StraightShooter Joined: 10 June 2003 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 8029	Post Options Post Reply Quote Wing master Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 24 July 2021 at 22:33
	That does sound pretty labor intensive but you'll always have shot and I bet it's cheaper than buying bags of shot. I think it's a win win. That's a long time to get a mold. Wing master
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d4570 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List .416 Rigby Joined: 27 January 2004 Location: United States Status: Online Points: 9961	Post Options Post Reply Quote d4570 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 25 July 2021 at 07:24
	A buddy of mine father pass a year or so ago and I was helping him clean out one of the out buildings. We ran across the lead pot and 180 pounds of lead he had melted in to 1 pound ingest. He gave me them the pot and 3, 45 caliber lead bullet molds, So the shot cost is only the mold I ordered.
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BEAR Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Administrator Joined: 07 September 2013 Location: Appalachian Mtn Status: Offline Points: 14390	Post Options Post Reply Quote BEAR Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 25 July 2021 at 07:38
	Dam crazy lazy Joe did some good!
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d4570 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List .416 Rigby Joined: 27 January 2004 Location: United States Status: Online Points: 9961	Post Options Post Reply Quote d4570 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 25 July 2021 at 07:55
	YUP he did. Dam shame my Grandkids, grand kids will still paying for my shot mold.
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d4570 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List .416 Rigby Joined: 27 January 2004 Location: United States Status: Online Points: 9961	Post Options Post Reply Quote d4570 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 25 July 2021 at 16:54
	A few days worth of casting and snipping and I have 10 pounds of "TT" lead .210 shot. At an ounce and a half per shell that's a little over 100 coyote or what ever shells. My other ones Magnetospeed out at just a tick under 1400 fps for fold crimp and just about 1350 with a roll crimp. I'll use the same load on this batch. I should be good to 70 yards + for coyotes or PBR on a Buick... They would make a very bad home defense load. The wad is only cut once for two pedals and I run a .670 choke. At 20 yards it is less them 10" pattern. Not only would it bore a football sized hole in a person it would leave the house and hit the neighbor. I will pattern them but the Fs at 60 yards will put 10 pellets in the kill zone of a coyote. That's what I'm hoping for and expect for this load also. Longest kill I have had was 93 yards, It did not fall over dead but it only ran a few feet till the second blast caught up to him, and rolled him over. I have the red dot on the stoeger zeroed at 65 yards Putting the center of the pattern dead on. Red dots are sure odd to shoot with... With my bird shot I plan to use it on birds, crane and swan too. It fads out Red or green, when looking toward the sun, I'll have to watch that.
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BEAR Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Administrator Joined: 07 September 2013 Location: Appalachian Mtn Status: Offline Points: 14390	Post Options Post Reply Quote BEAR Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 26 July 2021 at 06:31
	Love my red dot on my 870 for turkeys. Makes head shot easy with a tight choke. Also use a red dot on my x-bow for turkeys. But I'm seldom in bright light, lots of BIG trees where I hunt. But, I'll try it at the sun when I get home, 10 days, to see if it changes. you got some deadly rounds there D. With those size lead pellets, I'd think 1 pellet would kill and three would be DRT.
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d4570 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List .416 Rigby Joined: 27 January 2004 Location: United States Status: Online Points: 9961	Post Options Post Reply Quote d4570 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 26 July 2021 at 13:27
	I loaded up 3 to see how they run through the stoeger. I used 36 gr Steel powder, and ended up using 47 TT pellets to get 1.5 oz. and a good stack height, a clear over cover and roll crimped it to Saami specks. I'm happy so far, Now I'll have to shoot a few. Edited by d4570 - 26 July 2021 at 13:28
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d4570 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List .416 Rigby Joined: 27 January 2004 Location: United States Status: Online Points: 9961	Post Options Post Reply Quote d4570 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 27 July 2021 at 11:13
	OK! I loaded 5 #TT 47 Pellets. They load good I think I could get two more in a shell with the roll crimp. I went out today and shot them. 65 yards to the foot laser ranged. Shoot count, shoot count. I'm using a extended ported .670 choke on my M3500 30" Stoeger. A 3'x3' target with an X in the center to aim at with the red dot. The pattern looks fairly even throughout and very centered. 5 shots 27 hit average, 53%. On a side note I loaded some BB 1 1/4 load about the same speed and only hit the target 20 pellets out of a LOT more? I would hope when I tumble the TT's they will get smidgen rounder. When I snip them off the mold tang there is a little flat spot, may increase the hit % ??? In the ten inch ring in the center there was at least 7 hits, one with the BB. In my mind that is a dead coyote or at least stopped for a second dose of TT's. I'm going to try .5 gr more powder and 48 pellets on the next set. It's hard to say if the recoil is worth the change but with the dead mule in the Stoeger it was not bad as is. The 870 may be a different animal it kicks with bird loads. Edited by d4570 - 27 July 2021 at 11:20
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d4570 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List .416 Rigby Joined: 27 January 2004 Location: United States Status: Online Points: 9961	Post Options Post Reply Quote d4570 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 28 July 2021 at 14:35
	I went up to 49 pellets and .7 gr powder. It still roll crimps to, 2.71" just a shade under Saami specks for a 3" finished shell, which is 2.760" (70.10MM) ROLLED. I loaded 7 to try, I thought it was six but I guess I can't count. I did find I want to use either cut used 3 1/2" or new 3"Hulls, the once used hulls with a crimp don't do well roll crimping. 49 pellets put the payload to 780 grains or 1.55429 oz. I hope they pattern as well, I'll bet they do. I still have not run them in the tumbler with graphite yet. ONE extra pellet in the kill zone is huge. I think I'll try two at 65 yards as a base line like the others then 3 at 70 yards and 2 at 80. Edited by d4570 - 28 July 2021 at 14:43
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BEAR Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Administrator Joined: 07 September 2013 Location: Appalachian Mtn Status: Offline Points: 14390	Post Options Post Reply Quote BEAR Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 28 July 2021 at 15:22
	what is your kill zone on the paterning? 7 ? 10 inches?
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d4570 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List .416 Rigby Joined: 27 January 2004 Location: United States Status: Online Points: 9961	Post Options Post Reply Quote d4570 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 28 July 2021 at 15:39
	I like to plan 10" center mass. That covers spin to front chest back to the diaphragm.
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	yup, very labor intensive but then yur labor is free! Just don't breath the lead fumes while the lead is melting. Sounds like you have the load & loading process down pat too. Good job.
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d4570 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List .416 Rigby Joined: 27 January 2004 Location: United States Status: Online Points: 9961	Post Options Post Reply Quote d4570 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 30 July 2021 at 11:47
	New test. 49 #TT lead pellets. 37 gr steel Powder. Test#1, 2 shots 65 yards, and average counts. Two shot, average 28 hits on 3X3 board 8 in 10" center Test #2, 2 shots 75 yards, ave. 20 hits with 6 in 10 ring. Test#3, 2 shots 85 yards, ave. 19 and 4 center. I know the average % go way down but 85 yards Is a LOOOONG shot gun shot and still get some in the kill zone. For what ever reason I looks like my POI of the group is high even on the 85 yard test. still a lot of coverage and I think on a running coyote that would NOT be a bad thing. With my bird shot shells I did not notice that, Humm. Time to load up a hundred or so and test them out.
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	That's amazing distance for a shotgun. I think you will be ready for coyote hunting. Wing master
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d4570 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List .416 Rigby Joined: 27 January 2004 Location: United States Status: Online Points: 9961	Post Options Post Reply Quote d4570 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 03 August 2021 at 13:16
	With my 870 I killed one at 93 yards it did take two , One right after the other to kill it. I have a .669 choke for the rem and the smallest I can find for the Stoeger is .670 I'm hoping that will not make a difference. Now all I need is a coyote to try it on...
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Wing master Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Administrator AKA StraightShooter Joined: 10 June 2003 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 8029	Post Options Post Reply Quote Wing master Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 06 August 2021 at 20:40
	I'm sure they will be prime before we know it. Wing master
	I have always considered myself to be quite the bullshitter, But ocasionally it is nice to sit back and listen to a true professional......So, Carry on.