270 Win vs 270 WSM

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   Ok tired of the 270 vs '06?
Well my younger brother has bought into the 270 WSM hype.  he is looking at a Sako 75 in 270 WSM.  I know some of you guys have got the 270 WSM.  There has been lots written about WSM, some favorable some not to flattering.
Comments:  Should i talk him into the 270 Win or the 280 Win(my choice)????????
All comments welcomed.
BEAR

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Guests Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Guest	Topic: 270 Win vs 270 WSM Posted: 04 June 2004 at 13:12
	Ok tired of the 270 vs '06? Well my younger brother has bought into the 270 WSM hype. he is looking at a Sako 75 in 270 WSM. I know some of you guys have got the 270 WSM. There has been lots written about WSM, some favorable some not to flattering. Comments: Should i talk him into the 270 Win or the 280 Win(my choice)???????? All comments welcomed. BEAR

Ranch 13 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List .375 Holland & Holland Magnum Joined: 02 June 2004 Location: Guernsey Status: Offline Points: 657	Posted: 04 June 2004 at 14:34
	Probably won't do any good to try and talk him out of it if he's like most lil bro's. I think if a person really thinks that 1/2 in less gun length is important and short fat cartridges that probably don't feed well out of a magazine is important then by all means have at it.
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Timberghozt Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Administrator aka GarryOwen Joined: 21 March 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1971	Posted: 04 June 2004 at 15:45
	Bear,I figure you already know this answer.A 270 Winchester is as about an all around cartridge as the brass gods ever devised.The good part of the 280 is the 7mm bullet selection that beats the 270 if he is a reloader/handloader.Me based on what I know ,if I wanted a magnum 270-I`d buy a .284 CALLED THE 7MM REM Mag and quit the .277 game, but I truly love my 270,learned to shoot it and load for it and it is one of rifles in a cartride I truly like I will own forever...Gene

klallen Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List .416 Rigby The RockChucker Joined: 10 June 2003 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2331	Posted: 04 June 2004 at 15:50
	Trying to talk him into a .270 Win when he wants a .270 WSM would be a waste of your breath and his ear. The standard .270 and .280 are nice rounds, but when ya want mag performance, they just won't do. Let him get the thing. >> klallen
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bkcorris Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List .416 Rigby aka The Cheesehead Savage Joined: 11 June 2003 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2120	Posted: 04 June 2004 at 16:06
	I like WSM on performance and efficiency. Grain for grain it is more efficient than a 270 or 30-06 for that matter. But this again is only a big deal to a handloader. Of course this is by my meaningless numbers. I don't get the big argument on why something is better than something else for most of the normal reasons, the cartridge either works or it doesn't. Chances are, if it made it into mass production it works. Power level is the next feature, either to little, just right, or to much, power is good, so since when is to much of a good thing bad? If he wants it let him get it, my main thought is why does it really matter which he chooses as long as he likes it, wants it, or thinks he needs it. Edited by bkcorris
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bkcorris Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List .416 Rigby aka The Cheesehead Savage Joined: 11 June 2003 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2120	Posted: 04 June 2004 at 16:09
	PS, I forgot to mention this, but I have yet to hear of anyone that owns one having feeding problems. It seems to be speculation on the part of people against change or new things, and writers getting paid by other companies.
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Timberghozt Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Administrator aka GarryOwen Joined: 21 March 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1971	Posted: 04 June 2004 at 16:21
	BK. I beleive you are right.Guys like me who are set in their ways are slow to change.I hear all the whizzum hoopla,but I dont get excited by it.Ask any man who owns a 300 WIN MAG and can truly shoot it when he is going to go buy a 300RUM,see how many "Yes, very soon" answers you get.I buy firearms sometimes on whims,soon is a bigbore,but that is because I dont own any real bigbore guns.It`ll be a cold day in hell befor I ever do away with my 270 Win for a hot rod 270 that a old 7mm Rem Mag can do better than.......Gene

Rob1 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List .416 Rigby The Walnut Whisperer Joined: 10 June 2003 Location: Vatican City State Status: Offline Points: 3413	Posted: 04 June 2004 at 16:40
	If he's convinced himself there is a advantage there probably is no point. If he likes it then I suppose that is what matters. I have two .270's a .280 and a 7rem mag so I can't say logic plays much a part of my choices anyway as they are all pretty much the same in my eyes. A .270 wby has sorta caught my eye at times, if I wanted more speed out of the .270 I'd go for it in bunches and skip the wsm, maybe a .270 stw.
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deaddog Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Administrator AKA The Flying Gun Joined: 23 April 2004 Location: Svalbard Status: Offline Points: 991201	Posted: 04 June 2004 at 20:51
	This is simular but not exactly the same. I have done a direct comparison between the .300 WSM and the .300WBY Mag. Conclusion. The WSM is 150fps slower than the factory 180gr WBY. The WSM kicks a bunch less! This is not scientific but I'll claim 30-35% less kick than the WBY. I was doing better than he was for accuracy but I was using tried and true hand loads and he was using factory stuff. If the .270WSM is the same type of thing I'd buy it. But not if I already owned a decent .270 Win.

Guests Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Guest	Posted: 05 June 2004 at 01:14
	thanks for all the good comments. I have my morning pint of black hot coffee in hand. Im laughing uncontrollably with broken ribs. I said "younger brother" only because I also have an older brother, my little brother is 56! But Ranch you are still probably right...LOL. Further, Kallen said "would be a waste of your breath and his ear." Again interesting in that he actually only has one ear. I guess more truth passes on the internat than most think. I just see the 270WSM as an expensive ammo thing. He doesn't reload. v Maybe the new cartridges prime advantage is that the factory ammo is higher pressure than the factories would sell 270Win. Too many Winchester model 54s and early model 70s out there for the ammo lawyers to allow high pressure. More comments welcome BEAR

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	Bear; Myself, I'd go another direction at it. Ask him why he's passing up the 7mm WSM for the .270. It's a reasonable question. there's only .007" difference in nominal bore size, with the 7mm being the larger of the two. As was mentioned before, the bullet selection in 7mm is far greater than the .277. Hornady shows very few comparable bullets weights, but what there is seems to show that the 7 can drive 'em faster, which would seem to make it the more flexible cartridge. The 7mm has significantly heavier bullets available with significantly better B/C's also. And I'm sure that he knows someone who does reload, if he wants to exploit the flexibility to the max. Snrk! 900F
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North Logan Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List .416 Rigby aka The Legendary Lawman Joined: 10 June 2003 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 1728	Posted: 05 June 2004 at 04:08
	*Since I already have a nice .270 Win... I won't be rushing out to get a .270 WSM* any time soon... the 7mm WSM is another story, though...** It's more about 'WANT' vs 'NEED'....... and that's my .02 *Marcus.*
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Tikkabuck Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Administrator Robert E. Lee IV Joined: 10 June 2003 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 8740	Posted: 05 June 2004 at 05:07
	I don't know why I have a .270 and a .270 wsm,they both shoot well the wsm is a little more forgiving is some ways.It's a tad more accurate,shoots all loads well where my Ruger only does well with 130 gr. and when shooting them side by side the wsm has less kick,ones a Ruger and the other is a Winny,maybe stock design who knows. My Savage in .300 wsm did have feeding problems but it was one of the frist ones out a little honing took care of it. The Winy has no feeding problems at all.
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Guests Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Guest	Posted: 05 June 2004 at 05:44
	Tika, Sounds like a good endorsement, if you had a 270 win no reason to run get a WSM (but you did). I take it your vote would be for the 270 WSM. Well the 270 bullet size is pretty good so having two is two of a good thing. Would the Sako be equal to the Tika in your opinion...lol. thanks, BEAR

Lawdog Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List .30/06 SpringField Joined: 14 June 2003 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 278	Posted: 05 June 2004 at 09:19
	BEAR, I have a .270 WSM and couldn’t be happier. Seeing that so far everything that Winchester said about the design seems to be true. I have not had anyone prove them wrong. I will tell you this about my .270 WSM, it is more accurate than my sons .270 Win. M70 and more accurate than my .270 Weatherby Magnum(which shoots under MOA). Tell him if he gets his Sako .270 WSM to take up reloading to help supplement the added cost. Personally I like his choice of calibers, not the Sako so much but that is because I don’t care for detachable magazines. Lawdog

Tikkabuck Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Administrator Robert E. Lee IV Joined: 10 June 2003 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 8740	Posted: 05 June 2004 at 09:40
	Bear I'd take a Sako over a Tikka anyday,thats like the difference between an S-10 and a Silverado.LOL I went with the Winy because of price and the T-3 and the true short action which is IMHO what makes them so accurate. I haven't been able to do the deer test with it yet,but this year I will for sure. I never paid any attention to the .277 cal. but since the trade for the Ruger I picked up I'm kinda hooked at the deer dumpablity(thats a Tenn. word LOL) of the cal.
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macca Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List .416 Rigby AKA The Thunder From DownUnder Joined: 10 June 2003 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 1149	Posted: 05 June 2004 at 13:08
	I haven't had a chance to fire the 270WSM yet.I am currently working up loads for a 7mmWSM and it is proving interesting.I will post some reports when I finish it in a week or so. I honestly believe that too improve on the 270win you should step up to the 7mm class or go the weatherby route if performance is your aim.The 7mmWSM is not going to make the 7mm Rem redundent from what I have seen in testing the sporting class rifles.Heavy barrelled targets rifles may be a different matter as some 7mmWSM are starting to do well in long range events.I will get a chance to use one at a 500meter event shortly and will let you know how it goes as well. Macca
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Teddy Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List .22 LongRifle Joined: 07 December 2003 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 158	Posted: 05 June 2004 at 14:01
	Just two questions from a western hunting guide. When you encounter a trophy muley at less than 200 yards do you plan to stalk in reverse to take advantage of the flatter trajectory of the 270 WSM? Will you be shooting at distances in excess of 300 yards on purpose? Teddy
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bkcorris Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List .416 Rigby aka The Cheesehead Savage Joined: 11 June 2003 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2120	Posted: 05 June 2004 at 14:10
	Well Teddy, not to sound sarcastic, but if you come upon a muley at 20 yards and you have your 30-30 do you back track to 100 yards? Obviously not, but I see your point.
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Ranch 13 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List .375 Holland & Holland Magnum Joined: 02 June 2004 Location: Guernsey Status: Offline Points: 657	Posted: 05 June 2004 at 15:26
	I'ld be interested to hear from someone who shoots, and reloads for both the 270 and the 270 WSM. From the load data I've seen so far I'm not convinced you're getting enough extra to brag about. With that said the 7 wsm looks to be the most interesting one of the bunch so far. I'ld like to see them do one in a 33 or 35.
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