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d2redneck
.243 Winchester
Joined: 30 July 2003 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 186 |
Topic: remington 710 or savage counterpartPosted: 10 September 2003 at 19:16 |
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The closest thing that I have to a hunting rifle is a lee enfield 303 brit rifle. I was thinking of getting a new remington 710 at some point but, A friend of mine told me not to waste my money. Has anyone bought or used one of these or the savage counterpart and should spend the money on one of them or should I just stick to my 303 and work with it a little bit? Any advise would be helpful.
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hunting or wife hunting or wife. Honey I'm getting the dogs be back later.
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Pedestal
.22 LongRifle
Joined: 16 June 2003 Status: Offline Points: 39 |
Posted: 10 September 2003 at 23:30 |
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Nothing wrong with the .303, or the Enfield for hunting, IF, and it's a big if, you can get the accuracy you need. If your's shoots well, then replacement becomes a "want rather than need" .
Personally, between the Rem and the Savage, I'd go with the Savage.
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dakotasin
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a TRUE brother-in-arms! Joined: 10 June 2003 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 4099 |
Posted: 11 September 2003 at 00:58 |
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the rem 710 is garbage. your best bet is to go w/ a rem 700 or rem 7 of one flavor or another. if you shop a little, you'll find that some places are running a sale on rems, which helps, then rem will give ya another $50 back... all of a sudden, makes 'em priced pretty nice. (local shop has m7's on sale for 399..., get your $50 from rem, and that makes that rifle $349 - to me, that makes it a no-brainer pick for the remington). if you absolutely have to pick between a 710 and a savage, you're in trouble... i could never reccomend a savage product, nor could i reccomend the 710... |
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Hunting is not a matter of life or death; it is much more important than that.
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klallen
.416 Rigby
** The RockChucker ** Joined: 10 June 2003 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2331 |
Posted: 11 September 2003 at 01:43 |
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Morning D2REDNECK >> I've no experience with shooting the 710 but do have a negative impression just from handling it and cycling the action. I can't remember exactly who it was, but someone over on Shooters.com claimed to have boughten one just to experiment with. Accuracy reported would allow for reasonable hunting ranges, but I'd personally not use one. Savage will serve you well. Basic sporter Ruger M77's can be had for under $400 doing a little shopping. I've got no experience with Remington either, but if they can be had as low as DAKOTASIN is reporting, I'd imagine they'd serve the hunting need in that $350 price range as well. Lots of other things too. I'm sure following posters will list some of these other choices. There are certainly a lot better ways to go then the 710. Good luck to ya. >> klallen |
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tj3006
.416 Rigby
AKA King Leui VX-III Joined: 16 June 2003 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2373 |
Posted: 11 September 2003 at 03:16 |
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There is not a darn thing wrong with a savage ! I would prefer the new low end winchester. It'its similarly priced and the low end remington 700 ADL is not nmot much moore either. But for hunting The Savage is a good rifle. I would not take the 710. ...tj3006 |
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sluggo
.30/06 SpringField
Joined: 11 June 2003 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 300 |
Posted: 11 September 2003 at 03:21 |
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Well, you can find a Winchester Model 70 (the Shadow) that only costs $25 or so more than a Remington 710. For example, I just bought a Winchester Model 70 in .30-06 (at Cabela's) for $379 because I wanted a "truck gun" with a synthetic stock; the 710 was $359. Okay, it has a scope but it isn't worth a damn. My take on the 710 is that it is a functional rifle and certainly would work for hunting...but...it is overpriced. If the 710 cost $275 new, it would be price competitive. But at $350 or so it simply is not a good value. You can buy a Savage for the same money, or a Winchester or Remington ADL for just a little bit more. |
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d2redneck
.243 Winchester
Joined: 30 July 2003 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 186 |
Posted: 11 September 2003 at 03:52 |
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Thanks for the help I think I will save my money and go with a 700. Probably a bdl take me a while but sounds like it would be worth it.
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hunting or wife hunting or wife. Honey I'm getting the dogs be back later.
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dakotasin
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a TRUE brother-in-arms! Joined: 10 June 2003 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 4099 |
Posted: 11 September 2003 at 07:12 |
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the bdl is a great rifle (most of my rems are bdl's), but do not discount the adl's or m7's, either. the adl has a blind magazine, which some guys prefer. the finish is very basic, but functional - my gripe w/ the adl is how few chamberings it is available in. the m7 is a different animal entirely... typically smaller overall, and lighter than the adl/bdl line. a savvy gun buyer could score a remarkable deal on one of these in something like a 7-08... also, the m7 is different than the 700... for instance, the 700 stock will not fit the 7, and vice versa... also, the shamu lineup is available in the m7's... anyway, good luck. |
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jayrando
.375 Holland & Holland Magnum
Joined: 12 July 2003 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 741 |
Posted: 11 September 2003 at 08:42 |
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Have shot all 3 and own 700's and Savage. The 710 is not all that bad. I would go with aSavage with no problem they are accurate, reliable and their quality is VG [some on these boards just do not like some guns due to their previous reputations, brand/prest. rep, or just heresay], or the rem with rebate will do you just as well. I would suggest however you get a laminate rather than a synthetic stock ( see the thread oon synths and hearing loss).
J |
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Tikkabuck
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**Robert E. Lee IV ** Joined: 10 June 2003 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 8740 |
Posted: 11 September 2003 at 13:46 |
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Hey There I helped a buddy of my sons sight in his 710 it was his frist rifle from his Dad who wasn't a shooter or a hunter,that young man hunts with us on our lease.I would never tell him this but it is the worse rifle I have ever held or shot. I have a Savage that I bought just to see what all the hoopla was about them and was very surprized at the accuracy of it. Myself I wouldn't have any new Remington product because of their customer service, been burned and won't forget it. Do yourself a huge favor save up about $450.00 and get ya a Tikka T-3 comes with rings and will hunt right out of the box. Mike |
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pocketnavy
.375 Holland & Holland Magnum
Joined: 12 June 2003 Location: Antarctica Status: Offline Points: 612 |
Posted: 11 September 2003 at 14:48 |
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Well . . . whatever! Remington figured that no one would really shop around and price weapons. Weapons prices are "soft." MSRP means nothing. Remington banked on you not knowing that. Frankly, I am ashamed of their tactics with the 710. Look elsewhere. You have had some pretty good advice. Check out the following: Winchester Black Shadow Wally World has a similar Winchester without a floor-plate. Same rifle otherwise. Weatherby Vanguard at $470 at a Weatherby dealer or $390 at Wally World is hard to beat. Look for a Howa at a gun dealer. Super rifle - low prices. This statement makes everyone mad . . . but they make the Vanguard - similar quality. In fact, Howa made ALL Weatherbys from 1970 to 1993. Savage Model 116 at a dealer. Stainless steel and super good prices. A damn good rifle that is criticized by too many people who don't know diddly-squat! There are other models, but this is a particularly good version. Good selection of chamberings. You can find GOOD deals on Remington Model 700 ADLs. Look around. And finally, to almost end my blabbering, don't overlook the Finnish Tikka. If you would every compare the smoothness of the action of a Tikka with a Remington Model 710, you would immediately know what Tikkabuck is talking about. Smooth! And a fine accurate rifle. Whoops! Two fine "mauser-type" rifles come from Yugoslavia and Czechoslovakia. The Czech CZ is a fine rifle and is readily available. Whatever you buy, don't tell anyone on here . . . someone won't like it! |
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TasunkaWitko
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aka The Gipper Joined: 10 June 2003 Location: Chinook Montana Status: Offline Points: 14753 |
Posted: 11 September 2003 at 14:57 |
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another vote for the czech or yugoslavian mausers. my second choice would be the howa 1500. all are great shooters, and the prices are right there with the sav and 710. they are also much more rifle for the money than either, in my opinion....
cz m550 american (czech mauser)
charles daly superior grade mauser (yugoslavian mauser) between the sav and the 710 i would say SAVAGE SAVAGE SAVAGE! |
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TasunkaWitko - Chinook, Montana
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pocketnavy
.375 Holland & Holland Magnum
Joined: 12 June 2003 Location: Antarctica Status: Offline Points: 612 |
Posted: 11 September 2003 at 15:03 |
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But I have a lot of other questions: What are you going to hunt? Where do you live? What kind of land will you hunt? What type of game? On and on . . . so many questions. Of course, the 710 only comes in two chamberings . . . the .270 and .30-06 . . . I assume those interest you? More info? Several really experienced hunters on here: talk to DFC, KLALLEN, TIKKABUCK. There are others who can really help. Good luck.
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pocketnavy
.375 Holland & Holland Magnum
Joined: 12 June 2003 Location: Antarctica Status: Offline Points: 612 |
Posted: 11 September 2003 at 15:21 |
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The "packages," like the 710, have some pretty sleazy scopes on them. Get a good "deal" on a rifle and then get a better scope than the packages offer. You DON"T need to spend an arm and a leg to get a good scope. However, the cheap ones will disappoint you. There IS a good "middle-ground." I use a Bushnell Trophy. It is about three notches above what Remington put on the 710. Only the Elites are better than the Trophy . . . and you can get a Trophy for less than a $100. You can buy a Leupold for about $179. The Simmons Aetec at about $150 is a "super" scope . . . good eye relief. Just be sure to save a little for a good scope.
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pocketnavy
.375 Holland & Holland Magnum
Joined: 12 June 2003 Location: Antarctica Status: Offline Points: 612 |
Posted: 11 September 2003 at 15:32 |
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Gotta buy this guy a rifle!
Get a Ruger Model 77 Mk II in .280 Remington or .270 Winchester. It comes with scope rings. Buy a Leupold VX1 scope from Bear Basin in California. You'll never need or want anything else . . . unless you hunt big bears. SHOULD be able to get this for around $600 if you look around.
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dakotasin
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a TRUE brother-in-arms! Joined: 10 June 2003 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 4099 |
Posted: 11 September 2003 at 16:40 |
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-nevermind- Edited by dakotasin |
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North Logan
.416 Rigby
aka The Legendary Lawman Joined: 10 June 2003 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 1728 |
Posted: 12 September 2003 at 03:36 |
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I'm coming into this one late... lots of great advice dispensed here already! If you have narrowed down your choice to either the Rem 710 or the Savage package series.... forget the POS 710 and go for the Savage! That said, usually the scopes on package rifles are on the lower end [read cheap!] to keep costs down. If you want a decent hunting rifle... while there is absolutely nothing wrong with the Savage, you may be able to find a Rem ADL, Winchester Black Shadow etc for not too much more. As for the scope, you are better off putting aside a few more $$ and getting something better than the "cheapies". Consider the new Leupold VX-1 series or the Bushnell Elite 3200 series... Regards, Marcus.
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jayrando
.375 Holland & Holland Magnum
Joined: 12 July 2003 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 741 |
Posted: 12 September 2003 at 09:13 |
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One last thought if price determined accuracy what would be the cut off point?
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NH_Hunter
.416 Rigby
aka The Kid Joined: 13 June 2003 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3508 |
Posted: 12 September 2003 at 09:56 |
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I Second the Ruger. Hey Pocketnavy, when did you start using red again? Do i need to switch colors so then i can find out where i left off last. I guess i will if you are going to steal it from me NH_Hunter |
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Lawdog
.30/06 SpringField
Joined: 14 June 2003 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 278 |
Posted: 12 September 2003 at 10:48 |
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d2redneck, In all good faith I couldn’t recommend a Remington anything to anyone until Remington gets there act together over on their trigger/safeties on their rifles. Go with the Savage, you will be money ahead. Lawdog |
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