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    Posted: 29 June 2003 at 17:07

which chambering, in your opinion, is the most versatile cartridge and why?

by versatility, i mean that it will do the most things well. it won't be the BEST thing to use at either end of the spectrum (ranging from, say, gophers at one end and large moose at the other), but it WILL work, and work well, assuming that the shooter does his/her part. also part of this versatility is that the "middle range" be as wide as possible.

some factors might be:

  • availibility/cost of rifles and ammo in this chambering
  • killing power at various distances
  • variety of reloading components that will work well
  • ease of use (accuracy, recoil, etc.)
  • caliber - not too big, not too small
  • inherent accuracy

choices can be made with shooting or hunting in mind, but the intended use should be stated. for instance, i believe that if you will shoot more than hunt, then the .308 is the most versatile chambering. if you hunt more than shoot, my vote would go for the .30-06.

note - due to tj's suggestion, i modified the parameters to exclude dangerous game. he makes a good point that when you go after something that can kill you, you need a HUGE measure of insurance!



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 June 2003 at 17:25

Tas,

My opinion only - your factors define the 308 Win. I won't argue the success of the 30-06. In 1962 when I was about to buy a new M70 in 30-06, I was talked into a 308 Win Featherweight. I never regretted it. I don't have it today, but have 3 others. There are things that can be done with it. For accuracy, the 30-06 just faded away in ALL competition with the advent of the 308 Win. If a 308 won't do it a 7mm Mag will. If that won't then .... blah, blah .... will.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 June 2003 at 17:34

if you shoot more than hunt, i think the 7-08 is the way to go, 308 takes runner up, 7 rem mag is third.

if you hunt more than shoot, then i think it would be very tough to beat a 338 ultra mag. 338 win mag takes second, and 375 h&h is 3rd.

of course, if we rule brown bears and bigger out of the hunting picture, then the top choice is 7 rem mag, 7 stw runner up and 7 ultra takes third.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 June 2003 at 18:18
    Sorry but I dissagre. With anything said so far. You said Cape buffalo ! I would not hunt a cape buffalo with any thing smaller that a 375HH. Its a little much for gophers but If dangerpuos game is on the hunt you must have nough gun Period ! . If you said gophers to Moose then I would say 308. Even if you only have one rifle so chamberd you could varmint hunt target shoot hunt deer Elk moose Or any thing in north america short of Brown Bear. If you have 2 rifles so chamberd, Say a remington 700vls and  Model 70 featherweight, You could really do well on any hunt. You Should limit your shots On Elk and Moose to say 250 yards but if you have the skill and know your load the .308 will kill deer and antilope at any reasonable range.  ...tj3006
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 June 2003 at 01:47

tj - you bring up a very good point, which i beleive should modify the parameters of this little venture. i should have left out any dangerous game since they DO require a huge measure of insurance. the biggest non-dangerous game that i can think of is moose, unless there is some non-dangerous african game such as giraffe or something (people hunt giraffe?).

i think a very good case could be made for the 7MMs, but my own preference will always lean toward the .30 cals.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 June 2003 at 02:27

    Now we agree! One reason I choose the .308 (30,06 is a close second) Over the 7mms is just cause they are so common.  I have a .708 and have owned a 280 and like both fine. But The only real advantage I see is that they have less recoil. I know they shoot a little flatter too, But for me the difference is insignificant. My little Browning 7mm08 Is a real nice little rifle acurate easy to carry and almost no kick at all.  I was tempted to trade it for a Ruger Rsi in 30,06 this weekend. I decided not to cause I don't see the 30,06 from a 20 (or is the RSI 18,5) Out shooting my stubby .308. Also my hunting partner had surgery on his shoulder and might shoot my little 7 this year if he is unable to shoot his 06 or 300 win mag.  I plan to Back up my .338 win with my 30.06 this year for Elk but If I have time to work up a good 165 grain load from my 308 that can squeeze esomthing close the 2800 fps from the 20 inch barrel it might go along instead. ...tj3006

 

   

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 June 2003 at 05:23

Ok guys, just to stir things up a bit...What about Muskox. They arent dangerous, and people hunt them. The can go up to a ton.  I dont think I would go with anything short of a .338 Win Mag or a 8mm Rem Mag on muskox. For everything else that isnt dangerous, the................................. .50 caliber in a muzzleloader!!!

O wait, you said cartridge. Well, just set up your loads like they did in the Civil War. They called the paper thingys that were loaded cartridges i think.  I know for a fact that a .50 cal inline muzzleloader is real easy to reload. Pour powder down barrel, put in bullet or sabot, and then ram it down the barrel. Put on the percussion cap and your good to go! For metallic cartridges (you never said what kind of cartridge!), then i would go for the .30-06.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 June 2003 at 13:02
My vote would have to go to the .257 Bob.  It'll do, in a pinch, for anything in North America except the big bears, and perhaps moose.  From rats to elk, there is a load/bullet combo that will do the job if you do yours...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 June 2003 at 13:58

 

TasunkaWitko,

Seeing that you set down the parameters "(ranging from, say, gophers at one end and large moose at the other)" then from ground squirrels and up to elk then I would have to say the .25-06. From varmints to elk the best thing going. Lawdog

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 June 2003 at 14:03
   Have to go with the .308. Why? Because I already have one.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 June 2003 at 21:06

I would have said 308 in a standard caliber, even if you had left the buffalo in.I downed enough in the territory with a 308 to know it will do the job.The magnums don't stop people who botch the first shot  shaking as the animal charges.Choose the correct projectile at the right range and down it goes.But my prefernce would be to a 300 win .I think the win meets all the criteria you set out in regards to availability,reloading etc.It definetly is accurate and delivers the goods at most ranges.

If you let me have open choice I would go with the weatherby in 30-378 as it does it just a bit better.Pity about the costs of the rifle and ammo though.Have a good one macca.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 July 2003 at 07:50
I would have to go with the 06 over the .308 for hunting. One of your parameters being reloading components. It's awful hard to stuff 200 or 220 gr RN into a.308, and a 220 gr RN is hard to beat for elk or close shots, and it will reach out to 300 yds if need be , losing little to a 180 gr and delivering more energy to boot. However the .308 will outshine the 06 on paper every time. The 7mm's just don't have enough bullet weight versatility. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 July 2003 at 08:45

My vote goes to the .30-06.......can/does everything the .308 does & more. Great for heavier bullets. Can use the "light magnum" ammo that almost puts you into a .300 Win Mag. Yup, leave me with two .30-06's [the extra one for back-up] and I can do all my North American hunting with it. Others may disagree.........

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 July 2003 at 09:12

"Others may disagree........."  I can't imagine ANYONE disagreeing with you NL !!!

               

I guess these minimalist parameters would all but eliminate the .264 WinMag, 7mm RUM and the 7.82 Warbird.  Damn!!!

TO ALL you .308, .30-06 AND STANDARD GOONIES :

What a horrible icon to have available.  If you haven't already guessed, this is all in jest !!!  Enjoy whatever it is you're shooting, fellas.

I'll slither back over to a magnum conversation I'm having with myself over on the now defunct, Shooters.com.   >>  klallen



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 July 2003 at 09:27

Hey Korey.... as for the .264 WinMag, the 7mm RUM & the whacha-do-hickey Warbird... aren't those just "party cartridges"? Very, very fancy!

Naw, gimme the "mediocre".... like the .30-06 [just like Grandpa's gun!]

Let's not get all emotional about the .30-06, guys!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 July 2003 at 09:40

Hi Marcus . . . yeah . . . Shooters is defunct . . . useless . . . most of us took off for BSB when the wookiees started swarming . . . remember Candu?  And others of his ilk?  Still a few good guys around there, but you and I left! 

Love it . . . party cartridges!  That is the best description of this whole cartridge mess I have heard.  I like my .30-06 . . . really no use to change . . . although a .270 is almost as good.  A good .45-70 kind of rounds out the package.  Can't think of a good excuse to really need anything else.  Of course . . . we never buy what we need . . . the manufacurers are like wookiees . . . laying in wait around the corner . . . with something new tied to a string . . . ready to pull it in front of us in a weak moment! 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 July 2003 at 09:58

you guys and your 30-06's... gettin' me all worked up, and this is s'posed to be relaxing for me.

just say no to the 30-06!!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 July 2003 at 05:01
Originally posted by dakotasin dakotasin wrote:

you guys and your 30-06's... gettin' me all worked up, and this is s'posed to be relaxing for me.

just say no to the 30-06!!

LOL!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 July 2003 at 08:46

"whacha-do-hickey Warbird"  a  "  party cartridges"  ????  Alright you lilly-livered sap-sucker!!!  You can't even get the name of my favorite cartridge correct.  And "party cartridge"????  Ahhhhhh.  The horror.  Them there's fight'n words.     

Would it be wrong for me to suggest the 7.82 Warbird as the most versitile cartridge mentioned so far?????????????????  Ok.  I thought so.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 July 2003 at 08:52

Sorry Korey.........I stand corrected.

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