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    Posted: 16 June 2003 at 12:09

 

A while back a biologist that does some contract work for the California State Department of Fish & Game stopped by to talk about guns and such. He came with a warning. While doing some research on rodents he has come across a large number of rattle snake young. He believes that this is due to the mild winter we had this year leading to a larger number of young surviving the winter. I don't know about the rest of the western states but for those living here in California or to those coming for a visit be watchful, BE VERY WATCHFUL. Watch the kids and your pets as it's usually the little snakes that get them. I’ve already killed 9 this year just going to work and around the house. Lawdog

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 June 2003 at 15:01

Rattlers can be deadly, thank goodness I live across the United States from those little spawns of satan.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 June 2003 at 15:07
Hell, rattlers ain't so bad.  Wouldn't have the trouble gettin' drawed for sheep if more people still rode wagons across the desert in July with their children follerin' on foot.  All god's creatures got their use....'cept maybe for Palmer Ridge.  Ain't figured thet one out yet.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 June 2003 at 15:11

Hey Muleskinner, there must be SOME purpose in the world for palmer ridge. Isnt he also named Pocket Navy or am i way off. I thought i remembered that back in the days of shooters.com. Those were good days, but these are better.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 June 2003 at 18:22
An interesting note - rattlesnake venom is changing. It used to be nasty enough - a powerfull mix of enzimes and peptides. However - more and more they're finding strong doses of neurotoxins in it as well - this is far more dangerous.  There are several theories as to why this is happening, but the bottom line is while rattler bites have never been a good thing, they can be far more lethal now than historically. Not to scare anyone, but all that more reason to be carefull.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 June 2003 at 00:38

Maybe carrying a handgun of some kind could help out with that problem. If it is rattleing and seems to be offensive,or is threatening some one else than just shoot it, but if it is defensive than just keep walking.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 June 2003 at 00:55
I almost moved to Powell onct.  Then I ran into a vet thet tolt me how many horses get snake bit there.  Losin' chilrin' is one thing, but riskin' a good mule is jus' crazy.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 June 2003 at 01:27
I've recently heard that TP&W has "reseeded" LOTS of rattelers in East Texas. As in thousands.  I have not been able to confirm this, but if so, it really bums me out.  Don't like them thangs!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 June 2003 at 02:49

Hey MULESKINNER . . . watch it . . . I'll get my step-son's ATV and go on tour in western Wyoming.  Spook all the deer and a couple of elk too.  LOL!

Well, to the late-informed, I screwed up the whole business on Pocketnavy.  It was always my handle, due mainly to my interest in Civil War handguns [I had a website on them], but I switched servers, had to pick a different handle and Shooters wouldn't change it back . . . said that handle was already in use!  Geez!  No kidding!  So . . . I also use Pocketnavy on BSB and sign my posts on Shooters like I want them.  Need to keep the casual observers on their toes . . . right?  Irritates those who NEED irritated . . . most people just go with the flow.

But, you are in luck, my new puppy is trying to get my attention . . . she is upstairs eating the sofa or something!   Guess I will get off here and let MULESKINNER tell wild tales.  By the way MULESKINNER, what ever happened to that eye-ball we were going to have . . . and the steak dinner?  We ain't THAT far apart.  By the way, don't know about New Hampshire . . . strikes me that it would be hard to hunt with New Yorkers roamin' all over the place in their limos and L.L. Bean jackets! 

Gotta lay some sod, move a plant, and do something useful.  If you need a good rifle MULESKINNER - let me know - Howa has to go.  It's kinda like Monica and the Democrats.  Saw soomething the other day where she said the Democrats leave a bad taste in her mouth!     It's a .30-06 too.  What else is there?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 June 2003 at 02:57
Oh yeah . . . forgot . . . got bit by a rattler when I was fifteen.  I reached down to pick up a ladder along side a building.  There was one of those access holes in the foundation.  He was laying there keeping cool.  Scared the bejesus out of me . . . to put it mildly!  Took his head to the doctor . . . the snake and I had a quick and violent meeting during the incident . . . I was bleeding like a stuck pig.  Doc said that as much as I was bleeding I probably didn't need to worry.  So he treated me for infection and told me to go home for 24 hours - come back if things got worse.  I survived!  Snake didn't . . . that was the best part!  But, I was lucky . . . had a student one time who had to have her leg amputated because of a rattler bite.  She was an infant at the time and her father, a real AH, decided NOT to get her medical attention.  Lot of AHs in the world.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 June 2003 at 03:11

Haven't heard about a seeding project in East Texas with TP&W. I never saw many rattlers there anyway, but lots and lots of copperheads.

Also haven't heard of any research documenting neurotoxins in rattlesnake venom. Do you have a source, Foxer? I'd be interested in looking at it.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 June 2003 at 03:15
TRIGGERGUARD . . . having lived in the South for 13 years . . . I can relate to Copperheads.  Mean little [and big] bastards.  They don't make any noise and they are the same color as Fall leaves.  Used to drive over as many as I could in my truck.  They liked to warm up on the county roads.  Yuch!  Ugly too!  Reminds me of my ex-mother-in-law!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 June 2003 at 08:12

Pocketnavy, no new yorkers come up here and mess around. It is too untamed and the people are too damn poor and dirty. Well, most of them are. I am one of the lucky few where my family is doing alright. The new yorkers are too scared to bring their ll bean everything up here because it is too swampy, and their limos just get gawked at so it scares them away. I have a Grandfather who lives outside nyc, and he hasnt been up this way in 10 years, it displeases him.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 June 2003 at 10:24

Hell NH, I was warmin' up to ya 'til you said you wasn't poor an' dirty.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 June 2003 at 11:45

 

Triggerguard,

 

Try going to

http://www.whozoo.org/Intro2000/rickahlg/RICKSRATTLEEXTRACREDIT.html

I think this may be what you're looking for.  The biologist friend has told me the same thing.  Lawdog

 

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 June 2003 at 14:14

Fella's;

When I was 18, a friend & I were going down the N. Platte in an orange crate canoe from Alcova to Casper.  Anyway, out in the big bend before the river goes under govt. bridge, Jack got bit by a good sized snake in the fat part of his right calf.  I had to give him first aid miles fron help.  It was an interesting experience.

Unfortunately, the snake bit & ran & therefore survived.  But I do take care of business with any others I meet.  I'll tell you something else.  That venom doesn't taste so good either.  All the more reason to stay mad at 'em.

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Birth certificate!? He don't need no steenkink birth certificate!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 June 2003 at 14:18

Well muleskinner, i am personally poor because i dont have a job right now, i have school. and i am dirty right now because i havent taken a shower since this morning.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 June 2003 at 16:09
When I was alot younger, the universities would buy snake venom to turn into antivenom. On a good weekend, we could catch a couple hundred rattlers pretty easy. They were paying $1200 per gram at that time, so we  were coming out in tall pretty smelling poseys. Then the FDA got involved, and we could no longer milk them in the field. As none of us cared to pack the snakes out of where we would catch them, that enterprise dried up. This took place along the Maquoketa River in Iowa, not a place most think of as a big snake area.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 June 2003 at 17:49

I had the opportunity this past September to hunt dove on some land between a big tailwater pit and some cropland that hadn't been plowed up yet.  To quote Pat Green, it was where "the birds, they flow like wine".  Needless to say, we were all spending a lot of time looking up and not paying too close of attention to our feet.  I was over in some land closer to the tailwater pit, between it and a little ditch full of weeds that ran down into a big hole that normally had water in it, too.  I was scanning the sky back over my right shoulder over the barrel of my shotgun because quite a few birds had been flying in from that direction.  I turned back around and caught some movement out of the corner of my left eye.  Turns out I came waaay too close to stepping on a rattlesnake that was every bit of 4 feet long.  It didn't even have time to shake its rattles before I introduced it to one of my 3.75 dram loads.  Scared the sh*t out of me... mostly for just being a dumbass and realizing a bite would have been my fault for not paying attention to what was going on around me.  Maybe it would have kept going and not payed me any mind, maybe not... but not a chance I was goign to take.  We ended up killing another one about an hour later and less than 50 feet away from the first just before it had a chance to show the lab we were hunting with that it was through with the warnings.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 June 2003 at 20:02

Tex,

I and the family lived in Tyler, TX 1969 to 1971. I never encountered a rattler, but experienced closeness to two copperheads - once while on horseback and another when at the office in a hallway a small one was between the men's and ladies' rooms. I saw mocassins while on horseback, too. I was very cautious when deerhunting and dove hunting. Our secretary's husband got bitten by a copperhead and he didn't even know what it was until he checked into the hospital. Here in SE Mich we have the Massasauga rattler, but it has a less potent venom and is smaller than others. People here occasionally get bitten. Recently here a man was fined for killing one by the DNR. We're suppose to leave them be. Man, they could still kill a dog or a child.

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