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NH_Hunter
.416 Rigby
aka The Kid Joined: 13 June 2003 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3508 |
Topic: Ruger Blackhawk fix?Posted: 17 February 2004 at 13:38 |
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Hey guys, do any of you know how i would go about getting the throats checked on my .45 LC blackhawk? It has got to be cheaper than buying a new handgun. NH_Hunter |
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dakotasin
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Posted: 17 February 2004 at 13:41 |
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yeah, but where's the fun in that? in all seriousness, i don't know. but, w/ your proximity to ruger, can't you just whack one of the floor workers over the head w/ it, and tell him to get it right, and as long as he's at it, tighten the cylinder-to-barrel gap, too? |
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NH_Hunter
.416 Rigby
aka The Kid Joined: 13 June 2003 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3508 |
Posted: 17 February 2004 at 13:45 |
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I guess these guns have tight throats, but if you get the throats reamed than they can get 1.5" groups at 50 yards, or so i am told. Only thing is, i doubt ruger fixes them if so many come out of the factory like that. NH_Hunter |
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Bronco
.243 Winchester
Joined: 26 June 2003 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 217 |
Posted: 17 February 2004 at 16:26 |
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NH--What is this gun doing or not doing that it needs fixed? A lot depends on, cast or jacketed bullets, ( bullet dia.) factory or handloads. Bronco |
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NH_Hunter
.416 Rigby
aka The Kid Joined: 13 June 2003 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3508 |
Posted: 18 February 2004 at 08:14 |
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Well it shoots 2 1/2 foot groups with whatever winchester ammo i have put in it. Have tried silvertips and lrn. I just figured that the throat was the problem, becuase a lot of other people have had the exact same problem! NH_Hunter |
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Posted: 19 February 2004 at 02:39 |
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2 1/2 FOOT groups. I don't know the range, but most revolvers with the barrel screwed out (aka belly gun) will shoot 2 1/2 foot groups. I would not do anything with that gun but send it back. This is not meant to be critical NH, but does it shoot that bad for other shooters? Is that the tightest group your dad can shoot with the same ammo? Ruger has always stood behind their products and if something is that wrong, they would surely rebarrel it and check all fit. BEAR |
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NH_Hunter
.416 Rigby
aka The Kid Joined: 13 June 2003 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3508 |
Posted: 19 February 2004 at 08:20 |
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Yup bear, both of us shot the same sized group. With teh same ammo. NH_Hunter |
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saddlesore
.416 Rigby
Joined: 16 June 2003 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1345 |
Posted: 19 February 2004 at 09:33 |
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If it's commercial ammo and you don't reload for it yet, I would first try differnt brands and differnt weights. Also take the cylinder out and mike the throats on the chamber, and check it against SAMMI specs. If that doesn't do any good , get a set of dies and work up some loads for it, both jacket and gas check lead. For the lead bullets, try to get some sized to match your throats. Are you sure your not talking about getting the forcing cone modified? |
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Saddlesore
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NH_Hunter
.416 Rigby
aka The Kid Joined: 13 June 2003 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3508 |
Posted: 19 February 2004 at 11:29 |
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What is "miked"? A lot of people said they "had the throats reamed". So i just figured it would work for me too. I have dies and powder and primers, just need bullets! NH_Hunter |
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saddlesore
.416 Rigby
Joined: 16 June 2003 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1345 |
Posted: 20 February 2004 at 03:28 |
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Miked is a slang term to use micrometers to measure something. I your case, you would have to use inside micrometers to measure an inside diameter. Regular dail calipers don't work as well because they are not as accurate as most micrometers. You are probably looking to see if something is within .002-.003 inches. There are tools that you insert in a dia , they lock up, and then you remove thme and measure with an outside micrometer. Having the " throast reamed'rfeers to aprocess wher you openup the dia of the throats in your cylinder chambers. The front of the cylinder is a few thousanths smaller than the back to accomodate the differnce between the cartridge case dia, and the bullet dia. The most common caliber this is done with is the 45 , because there have been so many variations of the old colts through the new ones and the clones, and a lot of manufacturers cut thiers different. Even a lot of 44's are sized both .429 and .430, depending on what it being used in. So if you can get your throats measured, you can buy the appropriate bullet for it or if you cast your own, you can buy the appropriate sizer . In light of all this, you would be wasting money having the throats reamed , when all you have to do is purchase or cast the right sized bullet. It might very well be that some work needs to be done on the cylinder, but it's best to check out what they are before just having it done. First thing to look for is if they are all the same size or vary a lot from cylinder to cylinder. |
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Saddlesore
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NH_Hunter
.416 Rigby
aka The Kid Joined: 13 June 2003 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3508 |
Posted: 22 February 2004 at 14:44 |
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Well, i just gave my blackhawk, a really good thorough cleaning, and it was aweful dirty! When i get out shooting it again i will have some reloads made, and see if i cant get any to shoot straight. I am also going to see if i can clean the lead out of the bore, becuase i can see some. Not really sure how to go about it though. If that doesnt work than i will ship it into ruger and see what they can do. NH_Hunter |
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Triggerguard
.416 Rigby
aka The San Antonio Terminator Joined: 13 June 2003 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2212 |
Posted: 22 February 2004 at 15:54 |
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NH, get you a Lewis lead remover, now marketed by Hoppe's, I think. It is a cleaning rod with a screw on rubber plug that holds a brass screen. It will pull all the lead out in about two passes. Very handy tool to have around.
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NH_Hunter
.416 Rigby
aka The Kid Joined: 13 June 2003 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3508 |
Posted: 23 February 2004 at 01:56 |
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Thanks Trigger, I found one on brownells and it says to get JB something or other with it. I will see when i can order it, hopefully today. NH_Hunter |
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saddlesore
.416 Rigby
Joined: 16 June 2003 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1345 |
Posted: 23 February 2004 at 02:55 |
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Since you have so many guns, an Outer's Foul Out would suit you beter. About $65. I have tried all the cleaners , that are out there. The foul out will strip out the lead better than anything and does a good job on copper if you follow the instructions
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Saddlesore
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Bronco
.243 Winchester
Joined: 26 June 2003 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 217 |
Posted: 23 February 2004 at 17:42 |
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NH--If youv'e got lead buildup, that could be the cause of accuracy loss. If your cast bullets are lubed right and at least .001 over bore dia. you should not have ANY leading. I prefer at .002 over. Also, if your'e going to shoot cast, you have to get rid of all copper fouling. ALL OF IT. When you get that 45 good and fouling free, I'de take it to Ruger and have them check the specs on that cyl. You can get exellent accuracy and killing power with cast bullets. I have'nt shot jacketed bullets in years. Bronco |
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NH_Hunter
.416 Rigby
aka The Kid Joined: 13 June 2003 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3508 |
Posted: 24 February 2004 at 01:34 |
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Well it looks like leading. I dont cast bullets, but maybe the last person who had it did. I bought it used for just over 200. I shot some of those winchester lrn bullets but i dont think they did it, because i think i remember seeing the stuff in there before i shot it. NH_Hunter |
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saddlesore
.416 Rigby
Joined: 16 June 2003 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1345 |
Posted: 24 February 2004 at 04:04 |
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Is the leading at the forcing cone or at the muzzle? If at the forcing cone, the bullet is too hard fo the low velocity it is being driven at. If at the muzzle the bullet is too soft for the high velocity it is being driven at. If it is pretty much even along the whole barrel, I would say it's a canidate for some fire lappping to smooth it out.
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Saddlesore
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Vern Humphrey
.243 Winchester
Joined: 29 November 2003 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 156 |
Posted: 24 February 2004 at 05:28 |
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Try this: 1. Check the gun for overall mechanical condition -- proper timing, lockup, end-shake (fore-and-aft movement of the cylinder.) BE sure to check these things for EACH chamber. 2. Clean the gun thoroughly -- an Outer's Foul Out would be a good thing to use here. Get all the copper and lead fouling out. Get it squeeky clean. 3. Check the forcing cone (the "funnel" at the back of the barrel, where the bullet enters.) If it is cracked, you need a new barrel. If it is corroded, pitted, rough, or eroded, it may be possible to recut it -- Brownell's sells a tool to do this. 4. Slug the bore. With the chamber removed, mount the revolver in a padded vise and gently drive a slightly oversize PURE LEAD ball through the bore. Measure it with a micrometer. You want to use bullets that are bore size (for jacketed bullets) to about .002 oversize (for cast bullets.) 5. Slug the chambers. With the cylinder mounted in the padded vise, drive a lead ball through each chamber (mark them so you'll know which ball came from which chamber.) Chamber throats should all be the same size and .001 to .002 over bore size. If you need the chamber throats opened up, go to http://45throatdoctor.com/ |
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NH_Hunter
.416 Rigby
aka The Kid Joined: 13 June 2003 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3508 |
Posted: 24 February 2004 at 05:59 |
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Well, does anyone have a pure lead ball a tad bit larger than .452 that i can use? The bore is supposedly that size, correct? NH_Hunter |
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Triggerguard
.416 Rigby
aka The San Antonio Terminator Joined: 13 June 2003 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2212 |
Posted: 24 February 2004 at 10:30 |
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Speer .454 balls for percussion revolvers work well for that. You could even use egg sinkers from your tackle box.
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