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    Posted: 31 October 2008 at 14:06

Starting in 09,I will, after a very long break. Get back into hunting. Will be hunting all whitetail,mule and blacktail. Will not go bigger than elk.

Any suggestions on the overall bolt action and scope for this.

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 You'll get quite a few different suggestions, no real right answer, but quite a few right ones and some wrong ones. For me a .270 with a Leupold 3-9 scope is near perfect. You don't need the top end Leupolds either. Their starting line scopes are darn good and get the same warranty and service. For the brand of rifle it depends on what you want to spend and what you like. For a bargain rifle you really can't beat a Savage. Sure they usually have a cheap stock but the other major companys aren't really much better and they usally shoot very well. I also really like the Ruger Hawkeyes. They have a nice trim walnut stock design and IMO the most attractive as well. They are also priced pretty good. Remingtons and Winchester are a bit more, nothing wrong with them either. If you want a little more Kimber makes a nice light weight rifle and some nice wood stocked rifles. It seems their quality can be a crap shoot from what I read on these forums but I would take the chance if I were in the market. Then of course their are semi and full blown custom rifles if you want to go that route. Endless possibilitys there.

 For the cartridge a .270 just flat gets it done. It shoots plenty flat and hits plenty hard  all the while being easy to shoot recoil wise. That's nice in a lighter weight rifle. I've also found them very easy to load for should you go that route. If not there  is a vast variety of factory ammo to choose from. It's also a capable elk rig with a good bullet like a partition. My second choice would be the 30-06 for many of the same reasons.

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Mickey;

I'll make some suggestions to ya.  But, that's all they are is suggestions.

For a current production rifle, at least take a good look at both the CZ's and the Tikka's.  The CZ is a classic Mauser type action and a good one.  The Tikka, of which I own a couple, does quite nicely also.  For that matter, I've got more than one CZ too.  Either can exhibit excellent accuracy.

For caliber, number one on my list is the .30-06.  If you want a little softer recoil with a number that can still get the job done, try the 6.5 Swede.  Both are excellent cartridges for game up through elk.  Both are well over 100 years old and still going strong for the simple reason that they both work very well.  The Swede offers some fantastic sectional densities and B/C's if you're into reloading.  And, of course, the ought-6 has a bullet selection second to none.

Avoid the .270 like the red-headed bastard stepchild it is.

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 Don't mind CB's rant on .270's, he's senile and generally over dosed on viagra and Lucky Lager. 
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Ahh the 270 vs 06, why not the 308 vs 7mm/08, Roberts vs Swede, .243 vs 6mm.

I would first decide, if you need a woods, mountain or plains rifle, then I would decide, do you want one for everything or one for deer now and another later for elk. 

Does recoil bother you? 

At what ranges do you plan on shooting at? 

How much are you ready to spend?

How accurate do you require it to be?

I'm sure some can give you a better answer, with more info from you.

All I can say is buy the best you can afford up front, a cheap POS cost more in the long run.   That said, a $3000 rifle only shoots about 1/3" tighter group at 100yds, than a $600 does.

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I have to take the 270's side, it will do for the animals you have listed along with all the others listed,

 

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Generally agree with Rob.

 

BUT, it depends upon where you will be hunting, generally the terain and distance matter.  If you are hunting the north east, shoots will be much closer.

I personally like the 260,  and the kimber is a nice light well made rifle (got one).  Remington makes lots of models of bolt guns all really good.

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i've become a believer in the .280 over the years, it would be tied with .30/06 as first choice if i were to have ONE rifle for hunting. you're going to knock down anything with those, and recoil is negligent. .308, 7x57, 6.5x55mm are all very fine choices as well - to be honest anything from 6.5/.260 through 8mm/.323 would be just fine. i suppose you could go bigger, if you want, but there is no reason.

any of the production rifles would work well, i prefer CZ. if you can find a commercial mauser such as zastava, so much the better. i prefer craftsmanship over aesthetics, but it is not unusual for the two to go together. also prefer walnut/blue over synthetic/stainless, but your local climate might make your choice for you.

for scope, pick one with the "forever" warranty such as leupold. less-expensive scopes such as sightron can also be good choices. do swift and bausch/lomb still make scopes? avoid anything chinese as though it were carrying the plague; japanese, german and US are all good.

those are some rough edges, the rest comes down to personal preference.

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Mickey;

I happen to know that CB does not indulge in cheap beer & blue pills to get his thrills.  I think it's good whiskey & watching the blood pressure rise in the veins of .270 guys.

You should also know that there are rumors that Rob will put a perfectly good walnut stock blank in a fence just to let it age a bit more.

I also think RobertMT asked some good questions.  If you'd be so kind as to supply the information, we'll do our best to see if we can get a little more specific about the recommendations.

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I  like the .280 Rem. as it's by far my favorite cartridge, and I have taken more game with it, than any thing else.
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Don't listen to 900f. The .270 is just a little bit cooler than a 30.06.

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...or you could one up both of them. 

Had fun plinking the "ram" at 420 yards this morning with the Montana 7wsm.

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Mules and elk can bring about some fairly long shots. With that in mind my preference has been the .300win mag for some time now. Recently I've been reduced to using a very light and low recoiling .243win due to back injurys {bursted vertebra and blown discs}. Guess it is not so much a particular chambering, but more of what the individuel is capable of doing with it. Probably anything from about 25-06 through the various 300's would fill the bill with consistancy to 400 yards or so. Rodney. 
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.270 Win, .280 Rem, .30-06 just take all three throw them in a hat and pick one.  I guarantee you will be happy with the choice.  .270 and .30-06 will be a little easier to find factory ammunition for but there are no flies on the .280 Rem.  I've owned all three still have the .270 and .30-06, but I still load for the .280.  The new Win M70 in a feather weight in .270 or 06 would top my list if I was looking for a new rifle to hunt with, other than that Remington, Ruger, Savage, Browning, would top out my list of rifles. 

I’ve killed pronghorn, elk, and deer with the .270, elk and bear with the .30-06 and the .280 was stolen by my brother-in-law before I could test it on game.  From what I’ve seen of him it works just as well as the other two.  As far as long shots go I’ve taken a deer at 560 yards with the .270 so it will reach out there. 

As far as scopes go I like Rob1 suggestion but I'll throw the VXII 2-7 in as well.  I'm a self proclaimed Leupy snob, but I have a 2-7 in Nikon and Burris that I like as well.  Just something about that gold ring looks right on top of an good bolt action though.  If you really want to splurge then my favorite hunting scope is the 2.5-8X36 VXIII. 

 



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Thanks for the input. How does the 4.5X14X40 Buckmaster from Nikon measure up in the optics field? Have been looking at the Savage and CZ in  the 270,308 and 30.06 ranges. Longest shot would be in the 450 range.

 

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mickey - i can't speak for the scope, but if you get yourself a cz m550 american (or whatver they are calling it nowadays) in any of the cartridges you mentioned (i would choose .30/06), then your rifle quandary will most definitely be solved.
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Take a look at a Howa 1500 with a pillar bedded Hogue overmoulded stock in either 270, 30-06, or 7 mag, top it off with a Bushnell 3200, or 4200 scope with the rainguard feature, and i think youll be good to go.

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I would say 450yds for deer would be OK for 270 or 30/06, with  the 308 you'd be pushing it.  For elk 250 with 270 with prem140s or 308 with 165s, 300/350 for 30/06 with 180s.  Of course it's a personal choice, but if I was shooting at 450yds frequently, I'd step up to 7mm mag and up.  For elk I'd go with a .30 or .338 mag of some kind for over 300 yds.

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Mickey;

I'd pick the CZ over the Savage without a second thought.  But I'd sure take a look at the Tikka too.

I'd also do some fairly heavy internet searching on the scope.  Check Bear Basin, Optics Planet, and SWFA.  The new Nikon Monarchs are not as high-priced as the old ones were.  The Bushnell 3200 might be just the choice for you too.  Don't overlook Leupold's VXI and VXII either.  You can find some good prices on them.  Just beware of counterfits being sold on places like e-bay.

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Originally posted by Rob1 Rob1 wrote:

 ..... a .270 with a Leupold 3-9 scope is near perfect. .....

Very good advice!

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