?????? for the 30/30

 has anybody ever used a 150 gr spitzer for the 30/30 . my son has a bolt gun and wants to use a spitzer bullet, but it might be to long. i have made up some dummy rounds and the seat down past the sholder. i has smoked a dummy and put it in the chamber and the grooves go all the way back to the brass. i think this is a problem , but he wants to try it . i dont want anything to blow.

Mr. Mom,

I agree with BEAR, that sounds like there's a problem there of some sort.  Be careful!

 i went and smoked a dud case with a bullet and where the brass started on the bullet was the rifleing.  i talked to the guy at speer and he said go ahead and use them. he said for what he wants to use them for they will work. just start out low and work up in half gr.  and watch for presure signs. my main concern was seating the bullet down so far. this rifle has the org. bdl. on it. it is a westernfeild bolt. the same thing as the savage. the only thing that is diffrent on the savage is the bolt handle.

I used 125gr jacketed flat nose hollowpoints in my nephews gun with good results. He got flat trajectory and good hitting power, coupled with lesser recoil. I think I was pushing them around 2200fps.

"and work up and check for signs. "

not good, because of the low strength of the action you could  have action failure way before brass failure IMO.

BEAR

MrMom:

We have a 30-30 and my son loves it. It is his first rifle. He has other caliber rifles since he got it and yet he will not part with his 30-30. It's a great rifle for its time.

We hand load 110gr, 150 gr and 170 gr for it... all round nose and crimped. This is what the 30-30 is made to do. Max 150yd range.

It has been said to me, I can't you how many times, if the 30-30 would come out today..it would have very few takers. It has taken more game and protected more people than any of us can prove. Yet so many of us want to add scopes, and come up with rounds that go beyond the 30-30 capability.

Just my concern that someone may get hurt. 

If you want to experiment with loads like we all do, please think about a different round. There is not much experimenting one can do with the 30-30. It is not that kind if round or rifle.

T C has a pistol you might look at in 30-30.

Bojon

mr mom

Think you can trust the knowledge these guys have.

Happy shooting for you and your son.

Bojon

Mr. Mom,

Your last post sounds only tooooooo familiar. If my son is astandard, I must inform you that things only go downhill faster after 15.  sorry.

At 12 my son whould ask a question, I'd answer it, he would ask "why", I'd answer it.  He accepted it but still made his onw decision; and I thought that was great.

At 16, he asked, I answered, he than told me I was wrong and stated something 180 degrees opposite.  It is the age thing.  they need to assert there own opinion.  By education and attitude I'm a scientist, all that rationality; makes it tough to deal with.  It took me about a year to "turn" it off in my brain, and not respond to the bait.  i  always loved the kid dearly, but he almost drove me crazy; and i really missed the perfect 12 year old son i had.

My wife tells me that "they come back around".  i always say "Hope i live that long."  My son is 27 now, a great person and an engineer.  He lives in the remote wildernes part of the 3rd world (Tenn.  lol... tika and Moose).  When he visits I see 95% of the pre-teen son and only 5% of the "I have to beat dad" 16 year old.  Don't tell my wife she was right.  You have to learn to enjoy the children as kids and adults....really both are great.  But the in-between years are tough on the old man.

Enjoy.

BEAR 

Enjoy him while you have him.

LOL. All this stuff about the 15 year old not knowing anything. I DO know more about guns and reloading than my dad does! seriously.

NH_Hunter

bojon: i kinda know what you mean. i have stayed home with these 3 knuckelheads since the oldest was 6 mths. old. i pick them up from school every day, and i have to dig out what went on in their day. and what i dont get the wife hears.  they will tell me stuff that they dont tell mom. and the tell mom stuff they dont want me to know.  but if they screw up in school , they know i can be there in 5 min. and so do the teachers. kinda like the uncle buck thing. they hate to see me walk in the school. but on the other hand all i have to do is hook up the boat or grab a gun case and i have 3 noses right behind me. like i have said i dont shoot much anymore but it is fun to watch the kids. now my oldest is 17 and has his first job  he is gone befor i get up and when he gets home he tells me all about what he has done for the day. today he used a chain saw for the first time.and he also put the gattor in a hole that some kid bug on the beach. i dont clame to be the best dad , there are many days i would like to beat them like a run away slave.