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    Posted: 30 April 2005 at 06:08
Hey guys, I just spent about an hour pooper scoopin my back yard. With two labs if I don't do it every week it gets to be a major project. This time it was 3 weeks. I was at a pet store the other day and they were really pushing the IAMS and Science Diet dog food. The damn stuff is more than $20 a bag. I'm using a locally made brand that runs about $12 for the same size. If I look at the tags, Fat, Protein and other nutrients are about identical. One of IAMS big claims was that theirs was more digestable and therefore I could feed less. Result? Less poop to scoop. I know there are a lot of different ways to get to the same levels of fat and protein using cereal grains, soybeans, meats etc. and that arguements can be made for all. As an Ag college graduate i've calculated rations for about every species but dogs. I also know that I've fed cheaper brands of dog food my whole life and have only owned about 4 main dogs for my whole life. I'm over 50 so the average life span is over 13 years and that includes my 8 year old lab. In your opinion am I making a mistake by being a cheap ass SOB when it comes to dog food? And ultimately has anyone ever tested IAMS theory that there's less poop to scoop? Won't my dogs act hungry all the time if I feed less. They can about drive me nuts if I'm a little overdue with their supper now. RD
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I own a rottweiler and have fed her expensive foods such as Iams, Purina dog chow, Kibbles and Bits etc and cheap brands and she craps just as much on either brand. It was probably in my opinion a sales pitch theyre throwing at buyers because no matter what you eat you still need to pass it through your system sooner or later. Sometimes i feel like im gonna need a back hoe to clean up after my dog. If you want to feed your dogs less then eventually theyll get used to it as they are used to getting fed the same amount everyday at the same time of day as it is but their whining will continue until they get used to the change. Im no big dog expert but i know from experience with my dog thats shes gonna go potty no matter what i feed her.

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Rockydog;

We've kept Jake on a steady diet of IAMS as long as we've had him,  although we're not his original owners.  But that's what the guy that had raised him from a pup had him on so we've just continued with it.  In any case, I don't have to clean his crap outta the back yard. 

I haven't really given it much thought either.  You know, it's been a non-problem so its gotten a lotta non-thought.  So, I don't know if it bio-degrades faster, or the lawn mower is pullin' double duty, or what.  But if it's the mower, I gotta tell ya that it don't hardly pull the RPM's down at all & the bag still don't smell after all these years.  What's not to like?

Jake, however, is a Pekenese. 

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You got it right...."look at the tags, Fat, Protein and other nutrients are about identical".

IAMs needs to say something to charge outrageous price to yuppies with puppies.  If your dog is healthy, and needs nothing special (low ash, etc) then the generic with the same active ingredients is great.

If you feed less, and get less shit....if your dogs are not getting enough nurishment....you will only know when they are undernourished.  Seems like playing with your dogs health to see if a stupid ad claim is OK. My dogs mean to much to risk starving them, especially my labs and an older pet.

Suggestion: get the IAMs and eat it you self for 4 weeks.  See if you shit less and feel as well.  My bet is that the IAMs and the  generic that you are feeding are a lot better than our daily diet!LOL

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I've found the claim to be accurate. The problem I have with Iams are the portions, the dog thinks he's hungry 24-7.
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Bear, My neighbor tried your suggestion once just to see which was better. Big problems! He found out he liked the IAMS. In fact he started havin the little kibble stuff for breakfast every morning. A little milk on it and he was set for the day. Ate the big chunks like popcorn when he was watchin TV. Washed it down with a can of Red dog.  Then one morning he was sittin in the driveway lickin himself and his wife backed over him with the car!LOL RD
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Rocky, I had a feeling where that was going!LOL

At least he died happy!

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PS.  I use to work in a vet hosp, and we always munched on Purina.  It is a "developed taste" like lobster and aged scotch.

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I've had labs, springers and currently have two Brittany's.  For the most part I have always fed premium dog foods like IAMS, Eukanuba, Science Diet and ProPlan.  You all might think these are too expensive, but you don't have to feed as much as the less expensive brands and thus there isn't really much difference in price.  The premium brands are generally more digestible because they also contain less filler and/or fiber.  The amount of fat and protein won't make any difference in the amount of "poop to scoop".  Look at the percentage of fiber.  That will be a better indication.  A lot of the really cheap foods are simply full of filler.  You don't have to feed the most expensive brands but I would recommend something from a reputable company like Purina, etc.  For what a good dog costs, the vet bills, shots, etc. why worry that a bag of food costs $20, versus $12 for the cheap stuff.  I want my dogs to perform at peak when I'm in the field and won't skimp on their chow.
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  One- teach dogs to poop off property not on lawn-

I have fed about everything- BUT over last 25-30 yrs Purina puppy and then dog chow has proven best- i used to buy it by the ton when I had 35 dogs- for real hard conditions I would supplement with lamb- fish- beaver- horse- liver- chix etc but dau ain and out Purina does it at a reasonable price- only fed other stuff when sponsor demanded it.

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We feed our beagle a steady diet of Purina One.
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Rockydog, I don't think your off the wall buy not buying those types of dog food that are high dollar, inorder to feed your Labs. I raise German Shorthair Pointers and I can tell you for a fact, that over the last 2 years, I  have seen no difference in the effects of various dog foods verses the High Dollar brands and Low Dollar brands, as far as my dogs performance goes or their skin or hair.

However, there is a difference in the amount one has to feed their dogs, that is if you compare their recommended feeding for that size and weight of your dogs, to other brands. I have done so and those like Purina PRO-Plan, will recommend less cups of dog food per day, as opposed to some like Ole Roy (Wall Mart Brand). You will have about 25% more poop to scoop!!!

I mix several brands of dog food for my dogs! I do NOT feed just one type of dog food, as one never knows for sure if that company's fallen down on product nutrients for a time period. Meaning they are NOT putting into their food, what it prints on the back of the bag you buy.

I always (thanks to 2 friends of mine who are Dog Doc's) read and compare bag labels, such as the amount of Protein, Fat, Fiber, Moisture etc and weather or not it has Minerals & Omega Fatty Acids in the feed.

I mix a ratio of 25% Diamond Puppy, (31% Protein & 20% Fat) 25% Purina Pro Plan (28% Protein & 18% Fat)**** 25% Diamond Sporting Dog, (24% Protein & 20% Fat)**** 10% Ole Roy High Protein and Black Gold 15%. This way my dogs are covered from any loss of product that might not be included at the time of purchase and my dogs won't suffer from their shortage of nutrients in product. My dogs average around 27% Protein and 16% Fat for the most part. I also give my hunting dogs, in addition to their regular feed, a  half a can of salmon 3 times per week, during weeks of hard heavy activity.

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I have two Labs and we have kept them on Purina Pro Plan since they were pups and the messes they leave behind are not that many for having two dogs of that size.
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As the owner of one black lab and to dachsunds I'll chime in on this one. 

First I've NEVER fed them any Yuppy food.

Second if they're getting Purina Dog Chow, all is well. If I feed'em WalMart Sam's Ol'Roy what ever they poop like manure spreaders.......

Therefore they always get Purina and I never have to scoop.....YEAH!!!!

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I'll throw something for you dog owners to give thought too OK!

Now if your dog hardly takes a crap in the kennel or outside, it just might be lacking in "FIBER" a very important part of a dogs well being.

Chances are if a dog is really loading up on the piles of crap it's putting down, you may just be feeding it to much food perhaps.

I feed my dogs twice a day, both morning & evening. Just food for thought folks. The feeding of puppy food for PUPPIES has indeed a heath purpose suited best for the puppies! They have Omega Fatty Ascids that are esstential to their well being, as well as vitamins and minerals etc for that younger dog, who needs them the most while growing.

Many adult foods don't specialize in this area for puppies! I consider a dog a puppy until they are a year old, as far as feeding them proper food is concerned.

I also keep food in front of young dogs 24/7 until they hit that 6 month old bracket in age! Some places that board dogs feed but once a day, the dogs aren't getting worked hard and their feelings is more a time eliment only having to do it once a day etc. I am sure glad the wife feeds me 3 times a day instead of just once.....Amen!



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[QUOTE=Dakotazeb]I've had labs, springers and currently have two Brittany's.  For the most part I have always fed premium dog foods like IAMS, Eukanuba, Science Diet and ProPlan.  You all might think these are too expensive, but you don't have to feed as much as the less expensive brands and thus there isn't really much difference in price.  The premium brands are generally more digestible because they also contain less filler and/or fiber.  The amount of fat and protein won't make any difference in the amount of "poop to scoop".  Look at the percentage of fiber.  That will be a better indication.  A lot of the really cheap foods are simply full of filler.  You don't have to feed the most expensive brands but I would recommend something from a reputable company like Purina, etc.  For what a good dog costs, the vet bills, shots, etc. why worry that a bag of food costs $20, versus $12 for the cheap stuff.  I want my dogs to perform at peak when I'm in the field and won't skimp on their chow.[/QUOTE

 I gotta chime in on this one,I have been around dogs all my 51 years,bred em trained em,everything from Moms poodles ,Sis's Poms,Dads Sheaphards,my street dogs and all the Labs I have had the BLESSINGS hunting with and being around and this topic of Yuppie food vs Wallmart food (for lack of a better word) comes up all the time.

  So heres my take,my 2 favorite foods for a heathly dog IMHO is Nutro Max and Natures Recipe,YES I get smaller stools to pick up and as I said this has been my job since before the invention of a pooper scooper. I have one Lab right now thats 11 years old with all her teeth great bones and a great coat,my best friend ever was just put down at 14 years old and hunted hard most of her life,my last one was almost 16 years old when we put her down.Heres something I haven't heard mentioned yet ,"Shedding" my buddies wife's don't let their Labs in the house because of hair everywhere (course they don't talk about theirs) Mine shed but about a 3rd  of what theirs do,same breed,good owners that take care of them only big difference is the food.

  We are what we eat and so are they. A question if I may,your going on a big hunting trip,up in the morning early out in the cold walking for who knows how far and lets not forget the dips in the fridged water,what are you gonna eat a bowl of cold ceral the night before and the morning of ??? Think about it like that.

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Tikkabuck the last bag of Purina Pro-Plan I purchased was right at the $30 dollar a bag for 37 pounds. The Diamond puppy food is $20 dollars a bag and has 31% protein and 20% Fat.

Now this is what I feed my dogs the night before and the morning there of before taking to the fields. It's all about dollars and cents and what really works for your dog. I have close to 20 dogs at the moment in various stages of age and all are doing just grand with the feed I provide. None lack for shiny coats, bright eyes nor ability to perform in the field. Also none of those dogs have to strain to take a dump either, a very important fact later down the road as far as their health is concerned. We all should examine the dogs stool, it should be slightly firm (not dry) nor should it be loose as in that of a cow taking a dump. This condition can lead to dehydration in a dog within a few days!

The 3 main ingredients to look at when buying dog food (As spoken by a VET) are simply: Amount of Protein, Fiber And FAT people. I myself don't mind picking up an extra pile of dog dung! Not when I save 30% on my feed (A chunk of money at the end of the year) bill, as compared to buying nothing but the most expensive feeds listed.

Sorry, I just can't afford to feed my family porterhouse steak 6 nights a week savvy! I feed my dogs on average 5 to 8  cups a dog food a day (pups eat more) during 2 feedings, (4 cups equals a pound) as they are outside in a  compound running for at least 6 to 8 hours depending. They stay healthy and run off the excess fat if any chasing birds around in the compound.

Food for thought OK! Now compared to the human body the dogs body functions the same way, we all need Protein, Fiber and Fat. To much of one and not enough of the other can and will cause problems down the road........long term.

In my younger years as a want to be body builder, before taking up the sport of the squared circle.  I learned the importance of protein and eating properly OK. Well, I thought I was headed in the right direction but NOT REALLY! Training hard in the gym and eating 4 & 5 times a day will take up your time, not counting much needed rest, inorder to build the big body.

Well, as time went on in my life, I discovered other interests and soon found out I had a problem with my body inside from lack of a substance known as fiber, which caused me to become constipated a lot, watch your dog take a dump and see if it is straining (signs of not enough fiber in diet). It took something like 3 years before I realized that I was giving myself a good case of what "Preparation H" is used for, among other problems in the  colon area too.



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I fed both my black lab...Purina Pro plan for the longest time and I just switched them over to Black Gold Dog Food.  In the last few weeks I have noticed a drop in the droppinds......real nice!
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Goose Hunter Jr. ........I have done away with feeding any of the Diamond products like I used to in past years. They have lied about their BAD food problem and I just decided it was time to feed another brand. Their spokes women told me they only had products that were bad on the east coast area's around their Carolina plant. The national news stated that the problem was indeed in 23 states and that over 75 dogs had died from their tainted food.

I now mix Black Gold 30/30/30 with Purina Pro Plan and Maximum dog food. I come out with a product for my dogs in the amount of 28.5% protein and 18% Fat. The dogs like it and I only feed on average 3.5 cups per day per dog.

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The wife got me a Spinger Spaniel for Christmas, and he has been eating Purina Puppy Chow twice a day. The breeder had just gone from 4-3 feedings a day. I only did 3 feedings for 1 week, as the2 feedins a day seem to be enough. I am just glad the little terd finally learned to go down stairs, and has quit pooping on the back porch
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