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The_Mountaineer
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Topic: Bolt-Action Slug GunPosted: 03 August 2006 at 02:40 |
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Just wondering if anybody would be willing to admit owning one of these or know anything about them. http://www.tarhunt.com/tarhunt/ Unfortunately, they didn't give me the "Mountaineer" model just for name's sake. |
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mr mom
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Posted: 03 August 2006 at 03:31 |
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all i konw is mossburg made 1 for awhile... i kinda have 1 in 20 ga. it dosnt have fancy sights and its a smoth bore , but it willl put it in there ....its an old new haven bolt... my first shotgun.
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Posted: 03 August 2006 at 03:36 |
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Yes I own and have hunted with bolt action shotguns. For both small game and deer. When I was a kid they were very cheap......all I could afford even used hard guns. My brother bought a new Marlin heavy barrel slug bolt gun about 7 years ago. HEAVY to carry. I'll not address the usefulness or lack of a shotgun slug for deer. Let everyone make up their own mind. But I really never saw any reason for bolt slug guns. They are lop-sided and not well balanced. Most have open rear receiver rings and don't take scopes well. The clips almost always stick down making them uncomfortable to carry. All weigh a lot more than their pump counterparts. They are to slow to make them viable hunting repeaters. Second shots are not a really needed in shotgun deer hunting so the clip just adds to weight and noise, unnecessarily. My other brother had a 40 inch barreled Marlin goose gun in the 1960s.........a funny and poor hunting weapon. Personally I hunt with a shotgun at some farms that are in areas that do not allow rifles, and that are too open for a bow. I use a 20 guage H&R single hammer gun, with a 4x scope. This is a break action with a hammer. I shoot the cheap 5 pack box of Winchester slugs (5 pak for $1.25 locally). Never missed and never failed to kill whitetail with it. Weight about 4 1/2 pounds. Just my thoughts. Any gun manufacturer in Bloomsburg Pennsylvania probably makes very nice guns. BEAR |
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Posted: 03 August 2006 at 16:10 |
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In Iowa slug guns reign supreme as no rifles are allowed for deer. A lot of guys carry the bolt slug guns in Marlin and Mossberg. I think Browning even makes an A-bolt shotgun. With sabot slugs in rifled bores these things are dead accurate. If you shoot lead rifled slugs in rifled bores they lose accuracy very quickly as the lead just fills the grooves in the barrel. All in all a pretty effective weapon from what I've seen although I always used my ML when I lived there. RD
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Posted: 03 August 2006 at 16:24 |
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My brothers live in Iowa, and I believe they mentioned, that pistol
caliber rifles will be allowed in some areas now. I'd grab up a .44 mag
lever action in a heartbeat, and feel much better about putting a deer
on the ground!
Shotguns are real killers, there is no doubt. However, when a wound channel exceeds about 1.25 inches, the body kicks in to stanch bleeding. On a smaller channel, the body allows the blood to flow freely, to cleanse the wound. Most shotguns, are too much of a good thing. I've seen slug shot deer go incredible distances, with multiple hits. |
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Posted: 04 August 2006 at 02:18 |
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Waksupi, Interesting concept of "...that pistol caliber rifles will be allowed...". Wonder how they will treat the T/C line of cartridges. Since the 7-30 water is a T/C chambering (like the 30-30) would a rifle in that cartridge be OK??? I've got a 375 Winchester pistol with a 10 inch barrel....would they let me hunt my Marlin big bore in the same cartridge? Tough to figure. But a 44 Marlin lever would be a great place to start; mine has dropped whitetails out to 150 yards with one shot. BEAR |
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Posted: 04 August 2006 at 14:05 |
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Bear, good questions. I believe it is traditional pistol cartridges,
ie, .357 mag, .44 Mag, .44 special. To me, it just points out that the
people making the laws, know little about firearms. If they would just
limit velocities to 2000 fps and below, they would take care of thier
trajectory worries, and up thier harvest. A bullet moving at 2000 will
give a good usable trajectory to 200 yards. For a rifleman, in a set
position, who has checked ranges, far beyond, assuming a Sharps.
Hell, there are inlines shooting beyond this level, and are still legal, defeating the purpose of the restrictions. God save us from bureaucrats! |
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Posted: 04 August 2006 at 14:24 |
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having an engineering degree I've never understood that shotgun limit thing. Hunting in New York, shotguns only, I've seen guns unload an auto 12 guage at deer running thru flat fields and those 12 guage pumpkin balls bounce out of sight. Just like skipping stones on a pond. a 243/257 would have exploded on contact with the ground and lost most of its energy right at impact. Every bullet only lands in one spot if it is shot at a 45 degree angle. does it matter if a heavy shotgun slug comes down with fair energy about a half mile off or a 30-30 comes down with slightly less energy a 1.1 miles away. If your Mobile home is under it, doesn't the same thing happen? I think light rifles w/120 grains and less are safer than 12 slug guns (and my 416 mag). If safety is a concern limit the game to single shots only....makes hunters think twice before shooting. Just my thoughts. BEAr |
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Posted: 04 August 2006 at 15:15 |
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Iowa allows handgun hunting now during shotgun season but only with "straight walled cartridges .35 caliber or larger" as I remember. I too heard a rumor that they were going to allow rifles in some limited areas. When I lived there I wanted nothing to do with shotgun season. It sounded like a war out there with people taking mutiple shots at impossible ranges. "Holding over the back" by unknown amounts and sending slugs every where. Then they'd look at me as if I was crazy when I was going high power (local jargon for CF rifle) hunting across the river in Wis. They'd shoot 10 shots for every one our group shot with rifles and we were more dangerous? I only hunted late muzzleloader in Ia. Dec.20 - Jan. 10. Colder than a grave diggers ass and lonely. Just the way I liked it. RD
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Posted: 04 August 2006 at 18:19 |
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RD, you are right there. Downright scary!
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