Fella's;

Elsewhere, Pocket Navy in a thread entitled 'Fresh Air', has stated that Beretta has purchased Burris optics.  Pocket, what's the source of your information?  I'm not surprised that somebody bought Burris, just disappointed that it's now foriegn owned.

I suppose turnabout's fair play though.  Italians, right left & center, had a green worm a mile long when Mechannica Ducati wound up being owned by Texans!!  Though it's great for me to know that I can now buy a domestically owned motorcycle at a Harley price that's about twice as good as a Harley Davidson by any objective measurement.  Now all I have to do is come up with the money.  Ah well, the old American conundrum, food or toys, what's it gonna be?

Life is good, I get to lose weight!                                                                      900F

Yeah . . . seems so . . . as DFC calls them . . . the "Mafia" seems to buying up everything.  I really don't care about Burris much, but I was sure p----- to hear about them "acquiring" SAKO/Tikka.  Seems that the Finns could have survived without their help.  Don't get me wrong . . . Beretta makes good stuff . . . the military 9mm performed in evaluation tests far beyond S&W or anybody else.  Although I think the caliber is a wimp!  So what do we do?  Levis are made overseas!  They put a whole town on unemployment in the South.  Wonder when Wrangler will make the same plunge.  I went round and round with Zenith, many years ago, when they went to Mexico . . . that cost a lot of jobs too.

So . . . what do we do?  Well . . . Weatherbys are made in Minnesota.  Savages are still made in the USA.  Polar-Tec fleece one of the best companies around . . . still made in New England.  Yeah . . . I know . . . I have a Japanese rifle with a Korean scope!  Geez!  But what do you do?  Winchester is owned by a Belgian conglomerate and Leupold has been whistling through their teeth for years about being US made . . . wouldn't "Assembled in the USA" be a fairer statement?  I may replace my Howa with a Savage [7mm RUM].  Now . . . what scope?     No place to go to feel somewhat patriotic.  We have been abandoned. 

I guess I could find an old El Paso Weaver some place.  Now that proves we can make good scopes.  Maybe DFC can take some of that excess money he has and get things opened back up in El Paso.  Sounds good to me!  Need a 4.5-14x50mm Dan . . . made in the USA . . . lenses too! 

Geez . . . here we go again . . . Pocketnavy doesn't hate anybody NH . . . your philosophical egoism . . . typical of most teenagers, is getting the best of you . . . the universe doesn't revolve around you . . . or me . . . or anyone else on here.  Was just pondering something . . . when I was fourteen I was working nine hours a day in a paint and body shop. When I was fifteen I worked for a used aircraft dealer helping refinish aircraft . . . didn't have time for anything else . . . except school.  Oh well . . .

Hey . . . let's get our stories straight guys.  I didn't say anything about "Remington."  I said that "Winchester" was owned by a Belgian conglomerate . . . but everyone knows that.

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Also, it is well documented that the Beretta out-performed all the competition, even S&W, in cycling tests.  S&W, especially at that time, was just a cry-baby.  Of course, most of the Berettas are made in the US now . . . so I guess my discomfort is a little misguided - although I will always believe that the .45 is/was a better weapon.

Beretta U.S.A. Reliability and Durability Statistics for the Beretta 9mm Pistol
• The average reliability of all M9 pistols tested at Beretta U.S.A. is 17,500 rounds without a stoppage.
• During one test of twelve pistols fired at Beretta U.S.A. before Army supervision, Beretta-made M9 pistols shot 168,000 rounds without a single malfunction.
• The Beretta 9mm pistol was the most reliable of all pistols tested in the 1984 competition which resulted in the award of the M9 contract to Beretta.
• Two-thirds of all M9 pistols endurance tested at Beretta U.S.A. fired 5,000 rounds without a single mal function or, at most, with only one malfunction.
• The average durability of Beretta M9 slides is over 35,000 rounds, the point at which U.S. Army testing ceases.
• The average durability of M9 frames is over 30,000 rounds. The average durability of M9 locking blocks is 22,000 rounds.

DFC jokingly calls Beretta the "Mafia."  Not my words.

My comments about wanting Weaver to return to El Paso revolved around my concern for bringing production . . . and jobs . . . back to our shores.  Nothing wrong with that!

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El Paso, TX

What is the price difference between the Berreta and the Sig? At least when the U.S. military cover the battle rifle issue, they dont go to the lowest bidder. I would get an AR style weapon, but they are too expensive.

NH_Hunter

Hey Macca, when you refer to the Steyr, are you talking about the Steyr AUG? I hate the bullpup design. For one thing it is ugly.

NH_Hunter