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Posted: 12 May 2011 at 03:18 |
FYI..............
Sometime back and on maybe this forum someone advocated using a .22 WMR type of handgun for the lady of the house. Now it seems as if he wasn't alone in his idea....Speer has an offering for short bbl handguns now....see below....that's all I know about the product. Just thought is interesting and maybe of interest if you hadn't seen it yet. Note the test bbl length was 1.9"....a true snubbie type gun. Gold Dot® Short Barrel® Personal Protection .22 WMR |
| Part # |
Caliber
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Bullet Wt. (grs) |
Bullet Type |
Test Barrel Length (in) |
| 954 |
22 Win. Mag. |
40 |
GDHP-SB |
1.9 |
| Velocity (in feet per second) |
Energy (in foot pounds) |
| Muzzle |
50 yards |
100 yards |
Muzzle |
50 yards |
100 yards |
| 1050 |
966 |
898 |
99 |
83 |
72 |
| Trajectory if sighted at 25 yards |
Usage |
25 yards
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50 yards
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75 yards
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100 yards |
| 0.0 |
-1.2 |
-4.8 |
-10.9 |
1 |
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Usage Key: 1 = Personal Protection | 2 = Training | 3 = Hunting |
22 WMR 45 gr Critical Defense®
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| Test Barrel (1 7/8 V") Velocity (fps) / Energy (ft-lbs) |
| Muzzle |
50 |
100 |
| 1000/100 |
926/86 |
868/75 |
| Rifle (24" Barrel) Velocity (fps) / Energy (ft-lbs) |
| Muzzle |
100 |
200 |
| 1700/289 |
1222/149 |
980/96 |
Features:
 High Performance Hornady FTX® Bullets
Unaffected by thick and heavy clothing, the 45 gr. FTX bullet
delivers superior controlled expansion and terminal ballistics
comparable to the 380 Auto Critical Defense load. It offers superb
accuracy and devastating terminal performance in a a rifle.
Powder
Optimized for short-barreled firearms, the 22 WMR features clean
burning propellants with low flash and blast to help protect night
vision.
Highest Quality Cases
Silver nickel-plated cases prevent corrosion and are easily visible in low-light situations.
Comparison:
22 WMR Critical Defense & 380 Auto Critical Defense
 The
top bullet is a 380 Auto 90 gr. Critical Defense round at 896 fps from a
2.75" barrel Ruger LCP. The bottom bullet is a 22 WMR 45 gr. Critical
Defense round from a S&W 351 PD with a 1-7/8" barrel at 1038 fps.
Hornady Critical Defense is the most effective, consistent and reliable self-defense ammunition on the market.
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Posted: 12 May 2011 at 03:31 |
would imagine the old catch phrase, it's better then nothing, would apply here.
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Posted: 12 May 2011 at 04:22 |
I think a .45 ACP would have more knockdown power, but I recon their wouldn't be too many people coming back asking for another round after being hit with the first one.
Better than nothing, but their is a lot of people that carry nothing.
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Posted: 12 May 2011 at 07:51 |
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My 2 cents on this. Having shot many thousands of 22
WMR's at many many game animals I have more than average
experience with this round. This is one of those rounds
that kill all out of proportion to its size. I have shot
animals up to deer with a 22 WMR and have been very
impressed with it. Animals the size of a coyote it will
enter behind the shoulder and exit the other side and
leave a 1/2 inch exit hole. On deer it puts a 1/2 inch
hole in both lungs and usually stops on the off side rib
cage.
To be perfectly truthful if I was on the receiving end I
would rather be facing a 9MM with normal FMJ ammo than a
22 WMR with HP ammmo.
Just by 2 cents.....
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Posted: 12 May 2011 at 09:53 |
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.22 WMR is potent, but I seroiusly doubt I would use it for self defense. As has been pointed out, it's better than a sharp stick, lethal though they may be. Granted, it's better than a .22 RF or a .25 auto, but still rather amneimic for serious work, possibly as a back up?.................................Kingpin
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Posted: 12 May 2011 at 12:35 |
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I killed a few whitetails back when I was young and foolish with a 22 mag as was said it kills big for its size.
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Posted: 13 May 2011 at 15:05 |
This one looks like fun  http://cheaperthandirt.com/blog/?p=842
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Posted: 20 May 2011 at 06:33 |
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I recon I have killed whitetails with about everything that's out there, along with a few more critters, but nothing I have ever seen would lead me to believe that the .22 mag is any kind of stopper. That being said, I have owned a few, but not as personal defense or serious hunting............................Kingpin
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Posted: 20 May 2011 at 07:08 |
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I shot more than a few whitetails with DRT results with the 22 mag but then bullet placement was everything either head,neck shots or one pelvis shot. All with a pistol too a rifle would have been better yet. Just was with a 22 lr bullet placement is every thing.
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Posted: 30 May 2011 at 07:43 |
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Absolutely NO arguement about the placement idea, it's just not my first choice when there are so many better ones out there. Possibly as a last chance deal, but nothing more, for myself.......................Kingpin
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Posted: 30 May 2011 at 17:08 |
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Well back in the old days the old timers use a 22 LR a lot for a poaching too again it was all about bullet placement when a deer is just standing there it is pretty easy to kill. When the 22 WRF came out a lot of poachers bought it figuring it was a better cartridge for their purposes. Of course this was before my time just stories I had heard from the old guys which now I am one at least getting there. The 22 Mag out performs the 22 WRF.
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Posted: 05 June 2011 at 09:38 |
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Poaching? I am well acquainted with a guy that was probably on the most wanted list in Pa. He may or may not have used a .22 mag early in his career a couple of times, but wised up around the same time. After those early days and narrow escapes, he used centerfire rifles and a 5 cell flashlight, chose his targets carefully, and never left the target behind to waste, except that one time when there was a lot of heat on......................Kingpin
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Posted: 05 June 2011 at 15:19 |
 Kingpin wrote:
Poaching? I am well acquainted with a guy that was probably on the most wanted list in Pa. He may or may not have used a .22 mag early in his career a couple of times, but wised up around the same time. After those early days and narrow escapes, he used centerfire rifles and a 5 cell flashlight, chose his targets carefully, and never left the target behind to waste, except that one time when there was a lot of heat on......................Kingpin |
I am right happy you never got caught!
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Posted: 09 June 2011 at 21:49 |
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Shining is about the worst way to poach your begging to get caught. Of course in WI now no one needs to poach the DNR gives you plenty of opportunity to fill your freezer. Only problem is they did too good of a job the deer herd on public lands is getting pretty skimpy.
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Posted: 13 June 2011 at 00:30 |
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The 22 mag is apt to be finicky about ammo. I had a couple rifles that took some time to get the right ammo, and then it never was as accurate as most 22 LRs. It's just harder to find a variety of ammo and more expensive to test a 22 mag. The new short barrel ammo will be slower, likely, eroding some of the advantage. I've not seen a hollowpoint that will reliably expand on anything but rocks and wood. I suppose as a last resort, but even then, why would you have an inferior weapon as your last resort? If you were using it for small game, why would you have it loaded with Critical Defense ammo just in case? Makes no sense.
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Posted: 13 June 2011 at 02:06 |
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The 22 rf magnum is twice as devastating on small game as the 22 lr. At 50-80 yards the hollow point takes a huge chunck out of groundhogs; often removing the off side head. On hog body shoots you don't get full penetration but it really messes up the heart/lung area...no movement just a stop.
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Posted: 18 June 2011 at 11:12 |
I've shot a fair number of jacks with 22mags and 22 LR Vipers. I don't think I could tell you the difference.
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Posted: 18 June 2011 at 17:01 |
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I don't have a real problem w/it...but it is not the kind of round that you shoot them w/it once and see if they fall down.
It is the kind of round that you get in an 8 shot revolver and shoot them 4 times before you start to think about stopping...if not the whole cylinder. If you have 2 folks in your house...split it 4 a piece.
Conventional wisdom is, even w/a .45, give em a double tap. You don't count on one round to stop the threat...and I surely wouldn't count on one .22 WMR bullet stopping the threat.
But, that is the beauty of the round...you can give them 3 rounds, before a person w/a 9mm could get to round #2.
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Posted: 27 June 2011 at 17:20 |
Muleskinner wrote:
The 22 mag is apt to be finicky about ammo. I had a couple rifles that took some time to get the right ammo, and then it never was as accurate as most 22 LRs. It's just harder to find a variety of ammo and more expensive to test a 22 mag. The new short barrel ammo will be slower, likely, eroding some of the advantage. I've not seen a hollowpoint that will reliably expand on anything but rocks and wood. I suppose as a last resort, but even then, why would you have an inferior weapon as your last resort? If you were using it for small game, why would you have it loaded with Critical Defense ammo just in case? Makes no sense.
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I have a 22 mag Henry rifle that is more accurate as I can hold it with ammo it likes. Like all 22's you have to find a brand the gun likes. With CCI FMJ I shot a 5 shot group at 50 yards that was 4 shots in one ragged 30 cal size hole and one flyer that was right next to the group which made the group well under a half inch. It does not get much better than that. Unfortunately I prefer other bullet choices which still shoot darn good out of this rifle just not that good. For what it is worth I have never had a 22 LR that shot the Hyper Velocity loads as well as this Henry shoots 22 mag ammo.
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