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    Posted: 18 January 2007 at 11:16

Most of you know me as being primarily interested in USGI .45's as my main handgun interest. On the wheelgun side I'm mostly a S&W man. Just discovering a new interest... mixing the "GI" side with the revolver side.

Just acquiring my first S&W "Victory" model wheelgun. This one is not US Property marked although it does have the flambing bomb proof on the butt. And it's in .38 Special, unlike a lot of the Victory model we see up here in Canada, that are in .38 S&W [as it was one of the service cartridges of Commonwealth countries in WWII]. Hope this will be the first of a few to come my way:

 

I gotta say, they are way more 'economical' than USGI 1911 .45's are these days. Anyone else into collecting "Victory" models?

Regards, Marcus.



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Looks like a piece of history that would make a good shooter, or bedside home protector.

What is the current "deal" on Canadian residents owning pistols?  Permits, etc. hassle?

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Originally posted by BEAR BEAR wrote:

What is the current "deal" on Canadian residents owning pistols?  Permits, etc. hassle?

Hi Bear - Not really too much hassle. Maybe more than you are used to as a US citizen, though. In Canada all criminal law is federal law, including the Firearms Act which controls the ownership of firearms. Basically, as an adult you can own firearms if you apply for & receive a Canadian federal Possession and Acquisition Licence [PAL]. There are different "classes" of PAL's which dictates what type of firearms you can acquire & possess.

In Canada "long guns" like rifles & shotguns are generally considered "non-restricted" firearms. Handguns are usually considered "restricted" firearms. Handguns with barrels less than 4.14" and anything in .25 or .32 cal are classed as "prohibited" firearms. To be able to acquire & possess each "class" of firearm you have to have that desigation on your PAL. So, if your PAL allows say, non-restricted, restricted and prohibited handguns [must be "grandfathered" for prohibs] you can acquire/possess them [legally].

The Victory model above is considered a "prohibited" handgun in Canada because the barrel is less than 4.14" but I have that desigation on my PAL to acquire/possess it. I could only sell/trade it to another "grandfathered" PAL holder though.

To be able to shoot handguns legally in Canada you must be a member in good standing of an approved gun club. Transport to & from the range is by what's called a long term Authorization To Transport [ATT] which, like the PAL, is a federally authorized permit good for 5 years. Handguns must be transported unloaded, secured with a trigger lock & in a locked containter . Generally, there is no CCW in Canada for private citizens, either.  



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I had one in .45 Auto Rim that also handled .45ACP with moon clips. The dumbest thing I ever did was trade it................Kingpin
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With a PAL can could you legally hunt in Canada?

I tried to organize a caribou hunt for 20 guys in Quebec with T/C Contenders.  When I talked to Revenue Canada (federal) people they were totally against it.

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Originally posted by BEAR BEAR wrote:

With a PAL can could you legally hunt in Canada?

A PAL only allows you to acquire & possess firearms legally in Canada. In Canada hunting is covered under Provincial law & regulations. So a PAL does not allow you to hunt in and of itself. Here you must purchase a yearly hunting licence in your individual Province to legally hunt. In B.C. you have to have a Provincial "hunter number" [completed a hunting course] first, though. That hunter number stays with you for life and allows you to buy your licence and also apply for "limited entry draws" for certain species. When hunting however, legally you are required to be in possession of your PAL and firearms registration certificates [all our firearms are required to be "registered" with the federal government] if you are using firearms to hunt with.

Originally posted by BEAR BEAR wrote:

I tried to organize a caribou hunt for 20 guys in Quebec with T/C Contenders.  When I talked to Revenue Canada (federal) people they were totally against it.

I do not believe that you can legally hunt in Canada with what is considered a "handgun" [restricted firearm] which a TC Contender would be classified as. However, there are individual permits issued Provincially for carrying certain handguns in the bush for personal protection to persons such as registered trappers, etc.

I'm not surprized that Revenue Canada would be against your hunting proposal. They are the tax [collecting] people and have nothing to do with [federal] firearms or [provincial] hunting.  

 



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Originally posted by Kingpin Kingpin wrote:

I had one in .45 Auto Rim that also handled .45ACP with moon clips. The dumbest thing I ever did was trade it................Kingpin

You must be thinking of the larger frame S&W Model 1917 wheelgun. It is equivalent to the modern "N" frame revolvers.

The "Victory" model was on the smaller frame [similar to the "K" frame] and usually chambered for .38 S&W or .38 Special.

          

 



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It was a 1917, but somewhat smaller than the N frame if i remember correctly. Just an experience in a misspent youth for trading it. At that time, I also bought a colt new service in .45 long colt. I don't have that one either............GRRRRRR. Wish I had BOTH of them safely tucked away. Yours is very nice. I notice the swivel on the butt, both of mine had them too. If you get the nerve, try hooking a lanyard to it and adjusting it tightly as you would with a sling. If you haven't, you will be very surprised at the accuracy and distance that you can hit targets. As I recall, Sgt. Preston of the RCMP carried his revolver like that......LOL, did I just date myself again?.....................Kingpin
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The wife and I were planning a canoe trip in NWT with big brown bears.  I had my eye on a Remington Marine Magnum 12ga to take along just in case.  I generally don't go into the bush unarmed, particularly with the family along.  There was so much red tape to get a weapon into Canada, then no guarantees that I could travel between provinces unmolested, that I cancelled my trip.  I'll find a river in Alaska to do someday when I can aford the extra time off and the additional money for the fly-in (In Alaska, you can't fly passengers and a canoe at the same time, requiring double flight costs).  I'd love to see the NWT (called something else nowadays) and spend good american dollars there, but those frenchy gunnaphobics can kiss my ass, no matter how much good country they got and no matter how little is left in the USA!
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Mule, I saw a Rem Marine 870 Mag. It's a really sharp looking gun. If you get one, let me know.....................Kingpin
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Never carry any pepper spray into canada it's considered the same as a handgun some Rvers had  a bunch of pepper spray containers hidden in their Rv.They got caught when the Border Guards searched the MH,they were taken into custody right to court where they were fined about $2500 .
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