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    Posted: 29 May 2018 at 09:02
A very rare handgun............
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New one to me.

https://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2018/5/23/nra-museums-accepts-cia-deer-pistol/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=insider&utm_campaign=0518

NRA Museums Senior Curator Philip Schreier accepted a CIA Deer Pistol into the museum’s collection on Tuesday, May 22, 2018. Donating this extremely rare artifact was Master Armorer Thomas Ring. Mr. Ring donated both an original (relic) condition Deer pistol as well as a tool-room prototype replica (with a rifled barrel) that he made himself. 


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The Deer Pistol is considered the Vietnam era successor to the OSS .45 ACP Liberator from World War II. The Deer Pistol was made in 1964 and meant to be used arming resistance fighters who needed a 9 mm pistol.

Fewer than 10 of these are known to exist and this relic example is possibly the only specimen likely to be on public display in this country.










Deer gun

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Deer gun
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An image of the Deer gun
TypeSingle-shot pistol
Place of originUnited States
Service history
In service1964
Used bySouth Vietnam
United States
WarsVietnam War
Production history
DesignerCIA
Designed1964
ManufacturerAmerican Machine & Foundry Co.
Produced1964
No. built1,000
Specifications
Weight12 oz (340 grams)
Length5.0 inches (127 mm)
Barrel length1.875 (48 mm)

Cartridge9×19mm Parabellum
Actionsingle-shot
Muzzle velocity1050 ft/s (320 m/s)
Sightsplastic clip

The Deer gun, developed by the CIA, was a successor to the Liberator pistol. The single-shot Deer gun was intended for distribution to South Vietnamese guerrillas as a weapon against North Vietnamese soldiers.[1]

Design[edit]

The Deer gun was made of cast aluminium, with the receiver formed into a cylinder at the top of the weapon. The striker protruded from the rear of the receiver and was cocked in order to fire, and a plastic clip was placed there to prevent an accidental discharge, as the Deer gun had no mechanical safety. The grip had raised checkering, was hollow, and had space for three 9 mm rounds and a rod for clearing the barrel of spent cases. The Deer gun lacked any marking identifying manufacturer or user, in order to prevent tracing of the weapons, and all were delivered in unmarked polystyrene boxes with three 9 mm rounds and a series of pictures depicting the operation of the gun. A groove ran down a ramp on top for sighting. The barrel unscrewed for loading and removing the empty casing. A cocking knob was pulled until cocked. The aluminium trigger had no trigger guard.[1]

Operation[edit]

The Deer gun was loaded by removing the barrel and placing a 9 mm cartridge in the chamber. The striker was then cocked, and a small plastic clip placed around the striker to impede the forward motion of the striker to prevent accidental discharge. The barrel was then screwed back onto the receiver. The gun was fired by removing the plastic clip, placing it on the barrel where it would become the sight, and pulling the trigger. At this point the user would take the victim's equipment if opportunity presented itself, and then flee. Later, the user would reload the gun by unscrewing the barrel and ejecting the spent case with the provided barrel rod, and follow the outlined procedure.[1][2]

History[edit]

One production run of 1,000 Deer guns was made in 1964 as an initial run, with the final cost projected as US$3.95 per gun. Rather than the Vietnam war being a small clandestine war, it became a full-scale war where the Deer gun would not be as useful as foreseen. Some Deer guns were evaluated in Vietnam, but the fate of the rest is unknown. Most sources state that all were destroyed.[1][2][3]

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Edited by Irish Bird Dog - 29 May 2018 at 09:03
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I've never heard of these before. I saw a Liberator at the Buffalo Bill Museum in Cody Wyoming. This looks like it is a lot better quality than the Liberator. 

It doesn't say how many were made, just how many are known to exist. 

I wonder if any of them were given to Vietnamese people?

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Wing, read the fine printEmbarrassed

History[edit]

One production run of 1,000 Deer guns was made in 1964 as an initial run, with the final cost projected as US$3.95 per gun. Rather than the Vietnam war being a small clandestine war, it became a full-scale war where the Deer gun would not be as useful as foreseen. Some Deer guns were evaluated in Vietnam, but the fate of the rest is unknown. Most sources state that all were destroyed.[1][2][3]


Production history
DesignerCIA
Designed1964
ManufacturerAmerican Machine & Foundry Co.
Produced1964
No. built1,000
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Thanks IBD. I didn't see that part. 

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Why call it a "deer "  gun???

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Originally posted by BEAR BEAR wrote:

Why call it a "deer "  gun???


good question.    Maybe as a code name to hide the project from "spies"??????
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AMF designer Moure,  designed a tiny pistol with a cast aluminum receiver, a screw-out-to-load two inch barrel, plastic parts .  This new pistol measured five inches in length, 4 1/8” high, 1 1/2” thick and weighed 12 ounces. It had a blued barrel and a bright aluminum handle/receiver unit. The grip was hollow to hold spare ammunition and an ejector rod to punch out the empty casing from the screw-off barrel.

According to ordnance legend Jack Kroma, a close friend of Moure, this was the lightest and smallest 9mm issue pistol ever developed, as well as being “of splendid design and robust construction.”

a very brief news splash in New York in 1975, when a robbery suspect was caught with what turned out to be a Deer Gun. He said he bought it on the street from some guy who claimed he’d brought it back from Vietnam. The pistol subsequently disappeared from the evidence locker.
There was also mention of an assassination of a Cuban official in Mexico City in 1970, reportedly with a Deer Gun, but,itI could not be  documented.

the origin of the Deer Gun name. Sgt. Gary Paul Johnston suggests that it is an Agency code name with sardonic reference to a survival weapon. Suppressor designer Don Walsh, a longtime friend of Russ Moure, thinks the weapon was named after a World War II OSS operation, the Deer Mission business in Burma. The genesis of the weapon name appears to be as mysterious as the ultimate fate of the weapons themselves.

There were very few to survive after about 100 were given to natives.  2 or 3 were found in gun museums, but seem to have walked away.   Don't remember seeing one in the CIA museum.
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Pretty fancy zip gun.
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exactly what the design was for.
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