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    Posted: 20 April 2017 at 05:59
Maybe it happens more often than we think!

That Rem Y/G in my M70 would group greater than 2.5" at 100 yds.

Here it is with the Win Super=X:



Like I said "Magic"
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I have a double rifle that shoots .5 inch groups at 200
yds out of the primary barrel (8x57JR). Using Norma P+
loads...I bought the ammo for the brass.


Once I find a load I stick with it (confidence factor);
but will occasionally try a new one.

I always appreciate ammo suggestions of friends, but have
seldom ,if ever, had what works great for them to be
workable for me (maybe I'm fickle???)
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Originally posted by BEAR BEAR wrote:

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I always tell people to start with Remington
yellow/green box ammo. Most time it will be the most
accurate. And thankfully it is often the least
expensive.

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Then switch (usually to Winchester) same drill.

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Federal would be my 3rd brand to try.

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WOW Bear, My GS told me exactly the same procedure for finding factory ammo for deer rifles!!!
Almost Word for Word!!!


I can also attest that it works:

1) My M70 Win didn't like the Rem Y/G at all, but when to 5/8" groups like magic with the inexpensive Win Super-X.

2) My son's deer rifle shot OK with both the Rem and Win loads. He then tried the Fed Premium load with the Sierra bullets - WOW hits a home run with that factory load! I'm talking 3 shots touching at 200 yds!

3) Worked me up a reload in my Wife's rifle. Just messing around with some Rem CLs I got in a multiple bullet trade. Ran a ladder to assess the IMR powder charge. Loaded 6 to do the 1st sight-in (100 yds):
1 Shot and scope adjustment.
1 Shot and another scope adj.
Next 4 shots all touched at a perfect 1.5" high.

   

Guy's he's giving y'all some very good advice.
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Ammo has come a long way since the 1960s when I reloaded
for more accuracy. Factory ammo is ACCURATE.
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Originally posted by BEAR BEAR wrote:

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I always tell people to start with Remington
yellow/green box ammo. Most time it will be the most
accurate. And thankfully it is often the least
expensive.

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Interesting!

My GS says the same thing.
He even uses that Rem Yellow/Grn box ammo when he sights-in rifles for his customers.

PS: See updated post below

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I've had good luck with Federal blue box, Hornady custom, followed by Rem's green and yellow box and WW white box. I often buy factory for the brass, because some like Hornady on sale, are just about component price.

I prefer 165-168gr in /06, normally they're BT bullet and tougher construction, with little recoil penalty or loss of speed. Flat based 150gr bullets are easiest to get to shoot well and are what most factory's load in basic line.

Of the premium lines, federal does better than WW, but that depends on rifle. I've never had as much luck with hornady's super performance or lite magnum lines.   
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Unfortunately, not everyone knows what you understand.

I tell people to start by "enjoying" the process; it
is just fun range time.

I always tell people to start with Remington
yellow/green box ammo. Most time it will be the most
accurate. And thankfully it is often the least
expensive.

Don't bother changing the scope or sighting in on this
box just slowly 1 shot every 4 minuted in 5 shot
groups. Save all four target and mark the date and
ammo on them.

Then switch (usually to Winchester) same drill.

I'd suggest four brands of ammo. then evaluate.

I don't know your son's level of expertise with a
rifle or with this rifle. But I'd try 150 grain
bullets first in all four brands. Most hunters do't
manage recoil, and the felt recoil seems to go up with
each bullet increase in the '06. and many folks can't
shoot 180g '06 at all accurate. I'd not over look the
130 grain bullets either. enough accuracy and power
for whitetails (even Maine whitetails) at 300 yards.
Shot placement is 10 times more important than bullet
style.

Federal would be my 3rd brand to try.

I just took a friend thru this exercise with a 35
Whelen, the Rems yellow/gren box shot best in his gun.
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Samchap;

That's OK, no problem. However, in the case of
commercial ammo, the only thing you can do is to buy a
box of as many different brands & variations within a
brand as you can get. Personally, I'd limit it to 150 to
165 grain bullets. The sad fact is, it's also a case
where any variation may produce the accuracy results
desired. Which means that the so-called "premium" ammo
isn't out of the picture. The price does not mean that
the ammo itself is better, it's just that it may be what
that rifle likes.

The same accuracy results can frequently be obtained for
far less per box cost by handloading using standard
bullets such as the three brands mentioned above.

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CB900F, rereading how I wrote my question I can see that I
wasn't clear about referring to commercial brands of OTC
boxed ammo. I don't reload. Thanks for the reply just the
same.
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Samchap;

An old & very well proven recipe for the .30-06 is:
IMR4350 powder 57-60 grains. Any 150 grain bullet.
Usually Winchester cases & a CCI 200 primer. Maximum
accuracy is found in slight variations of the powder
charge and seating depth.

I'd start with Hornady, Sierra, and Speer bullets. No
need to pay more for "premium" brands. The deer will die
just fine with any of those three. Seat about .015" off
the lands & then do a powder ladder from 57 to a half
grain less than whatever the max charge for that bullet
is in that bullet's loading manual. Use a .2 grain
interval & fire the string. You should see an accuracy
node on the target. That's where two, or possibly three,
holes are touching or very close together. Don't be
surprised if there's more than one node.

Lot's of folks will use a .5 grain interval, but even
though it's more work, I think you get a better picture
with the smaller .2 grain bump in the powder charge.

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If I use one brand and type of 30-06 bullet in say 150
grain, 165 grain 170 grain and 180 grain and find that
It groups best with the 170 grain bullet, do I have to
repeat the complete list of bullet testing in another
brand or will the rifle like a 170 grain bullet best in
all brands?

I intuitively think there is no free lunch in
determining what bullet works "best" but thought I'd ask
anyway.

I don't think that with shooting deer under 100 yards
it makes a whole lot of difference in what bullet is
used as long as it prints fairly well but if my grandson
wanted to get set up to shoot a deer at 250-300 yards
off his back deck I do think it makes a difference. Am I
right?

If you didn't reload and wanted to find the bullet your
rifle likes best how would you go about it with the
commercial brands?

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