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    Posted: 09 December 2019 at 09:19
In hunting deer I've found that you can be over gunned.

My 9.2x62 CZ is one of my favorites...but without special loadings it is just too much.  As such it really doesn't kill as efective as a 6.5, 270, etc

Have you ever been over gunned??
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Yeah!
I was "over-gunned" hunting during the Thanksgiving Holidays.
 
My 9.3x62 w/ 286 NPT hammered 2 deer and a big hog.
All were 3 DRT and had very little meat damage.
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I don't think you can have "too much gun", but I do think there are some that are better suited than others. 
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The only down side I can see would be if the bullet didn't expand. 

Otherwise, I agree with MapleHill. 

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Too much gun is either little expansion or excessive  meat damage.  Or for any reason doesn't kill quickly with good shot placement.
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Originally posted by BEAR BEAR wrote:

Too much gun is either little expansion or excessive  meat damage.  Or for any reason doesn't kill quickly with good shot placement.
 
Well...Then by that definition, I don't have "too much gun"!
 
Have hunted a good bit with that 9.3x62; Just not recently till this Thanksgiving.
I've never found a bullet - all exited.
Holes were bullet size in and round 1-1/2" out.
If hit was in shoulder(s), have to cut about 3/4" meat from around bullet holes,
But other than that very little meat damage.
Knock-on-wood - that rifle has been everything 100% DRT. 
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Like you said Bear, the only down side is destroying meat. You hear it often..."That 270 (7mag,25-06,etc) just goes too fast and destroys alot of meat"...or "that 243 (270, 7mag,etc.) goes too fast and the bullet doesn't expand, just blows right thru without any damage."  As we all know here as avid shooters and handloaders both of these stories are complete bunk. The construction of the bullet has more to do with damage, or lack of, than the particular chambering, or bullet speed, of said firearm. Years ago I was fascinated with the tiny groups I could shoot in my 308 and 280 with the cool tipped Nosler bullets or Hornady SSTs. But after taking a couple deer with said bullets and skinning them out myself and examining the carcass I realized the thin jacket of both these bullets made for huge exit wounds. I have since switched to Sierra Game Kings/pro-hunters or Hornady Interlocks (non-tipped) and found the deer to be just as dead, without the huge wound/lost meat. Oh, and the groups are just as good. When I get the chance for larger game, elk or moose, my firearm will be loaded with a bonded or partition bullet of one make or another. Years ago when Remington unveiled the 8mm Rem Mag, 1978 IIRC, they offered a 185gr Core-loct. A great deer bullet, but in a round meant for heavy skinned deer species. The 185gr bullet did not perform well at 8mag velocities on the large ungulates thus the reason the 8mag was left behind. The 200 and 220gr bullet was too little too late to save it. Nowadays we have a huge selection of excellent big game bullets in .323"!  Sorry so long winded! But $.02 worth on the "Too Much Gun" debate!
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For about 20 years, I fell in love with the 338 win Mag; great shooting cartridge and my rifle shot .5 MOA all day long.  I handloaded for it with Hornady 200 grain bullets at medium velocity.  It killed perfectly.
One day I was in  LGS, usually low-kinwledge guys work those places.  sure enough a nice young 25 year old guy tells me " the 338 mag is illegal for deer"!  Curiouly I had to know whre the nonsense came from.  His story is that his best friend had shot a whitetail and totally destroyed the rear of the deer, no usable meat and the game wardens had fined him and taken his rilfe.  This was an obvious dream sequence.  Even with max loads the 338 doesn't do that.  20 whitetails I've killed with the 338 using different max lods shoed me that.  I used the 338 to shoot 12+ African baits on my leopard hunts.
But I do believe we can (I certainly have )  be over gunned.

 the 8mm is one of my favorite cartridges; but like a '06 with a 'stiff' bullet will shoot thru a deer with little damage.

I've killed med-large black bear with 8x57 and 9.3x62.  Both worked but the 9.3 when in thru heart and one lung without opening at all.  Bear in NB ran 65 yards into thick jungle with no blood trail...did I say it was VERY thick.  I like to eat black bears, so I will track forever.  the same shot with the 8x57 and Norma Vulkan (not Spock) had the bear run 15 yards and moan.
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I've just never had any of the problems your describing with my 9.3x62.
So what bullet are you using ?
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Too heavy.  285 PPV  soft point.

Deer are really very small thinned skin game.

Leaving for 3 more days of deer hunting as I finish typing this.  But will be taking my 6.5-308 aka 260R, loaded with 123 gr SST.
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BEAR,
I used those 285 PPVs as an inexpensive bullet to develop my reloads.
Then switched to the 268 Nosler Partition.
I never shot any game with the 285 PPVs.
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I got 1000  PPV.    they shoot sub MOA. 

I probably should start cast bullets for deer and bear.  But a 1/2" 100 yard group is difficult to walk away from!
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I'm just about out of 300gr. partitions for my 375 H&H. They are MOA which is plenty good for the ranges I use them for and the game I use them on. Deer and bear being those. They work. The 8 point I shot a few years ago took one low and behind the ear, spiraled down the spine and lodged against the shoulder blade in two pieces. Sizable deer and it picked it up and flipped it. Surprisingly, neck meat was still good with just a little blood shot on the shoulder. Too much?

A 16" deck gun on a prairie dog yeah, a 22lr on a T-rex, ...yeah. All about placement and proper selection of the projectile for the use. Will a 220 Swift kill a north American big game species? Yeah. Will it turn the entry side to a glob of purple Jell-O? Absolutely! Does speed kill? Yeah, but the hydrostatic shock wave gets impressive. A big slow and heavy chunk of lead up close does every bit as well without all the effects we don't like....just not as "cool"
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lately I'm going to the light but fast gang.  The 123 gr 260 rem  really wipes out the inside with heart lung shots.    7 animals shot with one shot and Dead Right Fhere.  I like the pow---- plunk----flop.
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