What rifle would you suggest?
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Topic: What rifle would you suggest?
Posted By: Wing master
Subject: What rifle would you suggest?
Date Posted: 30 October 2017 at 22:01
For a while I have been thinking I need a bolt action .223. I have a bunch of .223 ammo that I loaded for my AR and I really don't shoot it very often. I think I would use it kinda as a truck gun. I wouldn't leave it in my truck, but any time I leave town I could grab it in case I ran across a coyote or prairie dog town or anything else that needs shootin'.
My question is, I can get a Remington model 700 at walmart for $379.00. It has a cheap looking plastic stock and even cheaper looking scope.
The other option is the local sporting goods store has a Howa 1500 for, if i remember right, $489.00. It's a "salesmans sample". I assume that means it should have the better options??? It has a lot better stock. The stock looks a lot like a Bell and Carlson but it very well could be something else. and it has no scope. Not that that matters, because I would replace the scope on the Remington about as soon as I got it.
Witch one is the better buy? Remington 700's are usually pretty accurate and it is cheaper. On the other hand, I have had two Howas and they were accurate and I really liked them, but they are heavier than the Remington. Also I'm not 100% sure I can get used to the cheap plastic stock. If I decided later to replace it a new stock would be more than $100. Probably closer to $200.
Thoughts?
Wing master
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Posted By: Irish Bird Dog
Date Posted: 30 October 2017 at 22:20
hey wing, for a "truck" rifle I'd look hard at the Rurger American line. I have one in .223 which I consider my truck gun....LH version of course. Very good pricing and nice trigger plus reinforced synthetic stock to enhance accuracy. Not heavy and short bbl makes good truck gun.
Give it a look see here, click on link. http://www.ruger.com/products/americanRifle/overview.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.ruger.com/products/americanRifle/overview.html
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Posted By: BEAR
Date Posted: 30 October 2017 at 23:04
Lots of inexpensive combo rifles today, and they shoot great. Ruger American, Rem 783, T/C Compass, etc.
But, I'd go with the 700ADL or SPS ay Walmart. My son has one in 223 to complement his AR. Shoots lights out with a 1:12 twist. In family we have about 8 of those low end 700s, great way to go. Lots of add on 'stuff' available. I was using a 700 adl in 22-250 to 'remove' a prairie dog town, rumor has it.
I think a "salesmans sample" means it is used, or shop worn from being on a display rack and handled by customers.
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Posted By: RobertMT
Date Posted: 31 October 2017 at 06:36
Not your classic truck gun, but I have a few in different chambering's and they shoot decent. Even when not on sale, $100 rebate makes them pretty decent price. http://www.cabelas.com/product/shooting/firearms/centerfire-rifles/bolt-action-centerfire-rifles/pc/104792580/c/553829580/sc/105522480/i/105523380/savage-fv-varmint-rifle/1994604.uts?slotId=3" rel="nofollow - http://www.cabelas.com/product/shooting/firearms/centerfire-rifles/bolt-action-centerfire-rifles/pc/104792580/c/553829580/sc/105522480/i/105523380/savage-fv-varmint-rifle/1994604.uts?slotId=3
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Posted By: TasunkaWitko
Date Posted: 31 October 2017 at 10:43
With those two choices, I'd say the Howa 1500 hands down. It is simply a higher-quality rifle, in my opinion...and it hurts to say that. I am a fan of the old Remington 700s, but something has happened to them over the years, and it hasn't been good. I owned a Howa in .233 for a little while, and was very happy with it. I wouldn't have gotten rid of it, but we had no car at the time and a guy proposed to trade the rifle for his car, which was in pretty good shape - so, I did what I had to do. The Ruger Mini-14 is always an option, but it's not a bolt action....
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Posted By: MtElkHunter
Date Posted: 31 October 2017 at 12:52
I am looking at the same thing a .223 in bolt. I saw a Remington model 7 in the gun store in .223 and it was nice but the price was a little more, $450 or so. I liked the feel a lot better than the Ruger or the Howa.
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Posted By: d4570
Date Posted: 31 October 2017 at 13:56
Look in to a CZ.
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Posted By: BEAR
Date Posted: 31 October 2017 at 15:15
Remember, if you are like me, you will enjoy this rifle for a lot of years. So a hundred bucks +- isn't a big deal.
I'm a BIG CZ fan thanks to CB 900. Can;t go wrong with one, especially a FS model.
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Posted By: TasunkaWitko
Date Posted: 31 October 2017 at 15:19
If a CZ is thrown into the ring, I'd be choosing that, as well.
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Posted By: Irish Bird Dog
Date Posted: 31 October 2017 at 17:54
I think when you are talking a "truck gun" than you need to take into account it will bounced around a lot and needs to be on the compact side and durable and reliable and reasonably accurate (a good scope added not necessarily a $2K Nightforce for example) and a synthetic stock vs nice walnut and not super shiny blue or shiny stainless and cambering of your choice and I feel a (removable type) magazine fed gun and not overly expensive and tuff so it (and scope)can bounce around in your truck for years. Not what you'd want to do with a high $$ glossy rifle....U can still have those "other" rifles too.
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Posted By: RaySendero
Date Posted: 31 October 2017 at 18:58
Why not use your AR for your truck rifle???
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Posted By: Wing master
Date Posted: 31 October 2017 at 23:25
I would really like to have a CZ. Especially this one. https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/2084_36_63_971/products_id/719001920/CZU+527+FS+223REM+20.5+WLN+BL" rel="nofollow - https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/2084_36_63_971/products_id/719001920/CZU+527+FS+223REM+20.5+WLN+BL The thing is, It's not what I am looking for. It's a little over the price I think of as a truck gun. And the full stock model is way too nice to beat around in the cab of Ol' Rusty. (My hunting truck). Like IBD said, I don't want to worry about it. If it gets the blueing rubbed off and a few dings in the stock then it has served it's purpose. The Savage looks good. I will try to handle one and check it out before I make a decision. The Ruger American too. I could use my AR as a truck gun, but I am really more of a bolt action guy. It looks like I might not get to work tomorrow since it's raining and supposed to snow over night. If that's the case I will go tomorrow and look at what the local gun shop has in stock and get a feel for what I think is the best quality for the price. Thanks guys. I'll get back and let you know what I find. Wing master
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Posted By: BEAR
Date Posted: 01 November 2017 at 07:28
How about a used somewhat worn Marlin 336 in 30-30? about the most classic truck gun.
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Posted By: Wing master
Date Posted: 01 November 2017 at 19:17
Bear,
I have thought about that several times. I have a Marlin 336 in 30-30. It's from the mid 60's and it's in really good condition.
Every time I think about it, I get it out and decide it's in too good of condition to beat around.
I guess I could look for one on the used racks around town.
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Posted By: BEAR
Date Posted: 02 November 2017 at 00:47
beautiful classic. like the pose against the tree with snow cover!
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Posted By: Wing master
Date Posted: 02 November 2017 at 09:26
Thanks Bear,
Every year I have one "old school" hunting day. I walk through the woods with a lever action with iron sights and try to have no new technology. No GPS, no synthetic clothing, etc. Nothing newer than the 1940' or 1950's.
I never have gotten a deer on my "old school" day but it's a really fun hunting day.
Wing master
------------- I have always considered myself to be quite the bullshitter, But ocasionally it is nice to sit back and listen to a true professional......So, Carry on.
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Posted By: TasunkaWitko
Date Posted: 02 November 2017 at 10:51
Nice, Randy - and I am 100% certain those old-school hunting days are the truly memorable ones.
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Posted By: Wing master
Date Posted: 02 November 2017 at 17:28
They definatly are Ron.
Wing master
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Posted By: RobertMT
Date Posted: 02 November 2017 at 20:03
Seems like decent deal to me. http://www.cabelas.com/product/shooting/firearms/centerfire-rifles/bolt-action-centerfire-rifles/pc/104792580/c/553829580/sc/105522480/i/105523380/remington-adl-commemorative-rifles/2329509.uts?slotId=9" rel="nofollow - http://www.cabelas.com/product/shooting/firearms/centerfire-rifles/bolt-action-centerfire-rifles/pc/104792580/c/553829580/sc/105522480/i/105523380/remington-adl-commemorative-rifles/2329509.uts?slotId=9
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Posted By: Wing master
Date Posted: 03 November 2017 at 00:38
I agree Robert. That is a good deal. Thanks
Wing master
------------- I have always considered myself to be quite the bullshitter, But ocasionally it is nice to sit back and listen to a true professional......So, Carry on.
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Posted By: TasunkaWitko
Date Posted: 03 November 2017 at 08:24
I'd hit that!
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Posted By: RaySendero
Date Posted: 03 November 2017 at 10:23
W m, I, too, like bolt action rifles. Here's a look at my truck rifle: Its a bubbized British Enfield No4Mk1*
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Posted By: Wing master
Date Posted: 03 November 2017 at 10:50
Nice rifle Ray.
That's what I have in mind. Something that I can beat around and not worry about it.
Also I have a bunch of .223 ammo. Like a bunch, Several thousand.
Wing master
------------- I have always considered myself to be quite the bullshitter, But ocasionally it is nice to sit back and listen to a true professional......So, Carry on.
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Posted By: RaySendero
Date Posted: 03 November 2017 at 10:55
OK, Let me see what I can find for you.
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Posted By: BEAR
Date Posted: 03 November 2017 at 11:30
Sounds like you need a 223 bolt rifle with a syn stock!
LGS has 223 bolt rifles new:
Rem 783 with 3-9x scope and mounts $289 Rem 700 ADL with monted and bore sighted 3-9x w/mounts $399. Sav Axis w/3-9x and mounts $379 w/o scope $249. t/c Compass $219 Ruger American w 4-16x $379 Savage Walking Varminter $#25 $399 Marlin 336 w/scope in 30-30 $299
So many great prices today.
I bought a 783 in 7 mag. Bro' bought a Compas in 308. both nice rifles.
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Posted By: Irish Bird Dog
Date Posted: 03 November 2017 at 20:21
Ray....nice looking truck gun! .303 British or re chambered?
Bear....some good prices in your list there.....and some good rifles too.
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Posted By: Wing master
Date Posted: 03 November 2017 at 20:59
Good choices there Bear.
What is the difference between the 700 and 788?
I'll look around a little more before I decide on something. I did look at the 700 ADL and the Howa again today. the bolt on the Remington feels looser and rougher in the action than the Howa. Earlier I said the Howa stock was a Bell and Carlson. That isn't right. Its a Hogue.
I also looked at a Savage Axis and a Ruger American. They weren't .223's but the rifles seemed to be good for what I'm looking for.
Wing master
------------- I have always considered myself to be quite the bullshitter, But ocasionally it is nice to sit back and listen to a true professional......So, Carry on.
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Posted By: Irish Bird Dog
Date Posted: 03 November 2017 at 21:22
Wing, check out the Ruger American vs Savage Axis....both good choices...but I think the Ruger has a better stock synthetic with something like piller bedding and their version of an adjustable trigger system very similar to the Savage accu-trigger system.
The 788 Remington is discontinued and only available as used. A very accurate rifle and was the economy rifle of it's time. Ugly stock & pretty heavy for it's size. A very different action from the Rem 700 altogether. It has 9 locking lugs at the REAR of the bolt & a very stiff action which contributed to its accuracy reputation + 18" heavy bbl. Not so super trigger. Detachable box magazine. It was also offered in a LH Bolt handle with Right Hand ejection port.
Had 2 of the 788's in .243 & .308, now each kid has one of them. Put RAMLINE synthetic stocks on each of them, look waaaay better and some lighter too. Didn't seem to affect accuracy....for sure they are still minute of deer! Some of you saw the .243/788 at one of the early MYGAWDS, carried by my son back then for the coyote hunt part.
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Posted By: BEAR
Date Posted: 03 November 2017 at 21:36
788 was a low cost bolt, made to drive the Savage 340 out of business...and it did that. When Savage dropped the 340, remington dropped the 788.
However the 783 is the low cost remington today. Savage like barrel nut, glock trigger safety.
It will never be a 700 BUT for the $229 I paid, in camo syn stock and 7 mag, it is perfect truck gun.
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Posted By: Wing master
Date Posted: 03 November 2017 at 23:01
Sorry. I meant 783.
Like Bear said earlier, what ever I get I will have it for a long time. A hundred bucks + or - will be forgotten long before I am finished with this gun. I am hoping to get the best quality I can in my price range.
Wing master
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Posted By: BEAR
Date Posted: 04 November 2017 at 05:23
Seems there are diferences in the criteria; quality, but something that can be abused with truck riding without sorrow.
Maybe a somewhat worn/used quality rifle.
Is 223 a strong necessity?
Maybe a used Savage 340 in 222 or 30-30.
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Posted By: RaySendero
Date Posted: 04 November 2017 at 13:13
Irish Bird Dog wrote:
Ray....nice looking truck gun! .303 British or re chambered?
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Yes - .303 British
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Posted By: RaySendero
Date Posted: 04 November 2017 at 15:09
W m, .223s Here's some Remington's that are interesting: http://www.gunbroker.com/item/714788155" rel="nofollow - http://www.gunbroker.com/item/714788155 http://www.gunbroker.com/item/715061326" rel="nofollow - http://www.gunbroker.com/item/715061326 http://www.gunbroker.com/item/714852217" rel="nofollow - http://www.gunbroker.com/item/714852217 http://www.gunbroker.com/item/713406312" rel="nofollow - http://www.gunbroker.com/item/713406312 http://www.gunbroker.com/item/714837082" rel="nofollow - http://www.gunbroker.com/item/714837082
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Posted By: RaySendero
Date Posted: 04 November 2017 at 15:19
Only Ruger I find interesting for truck (not bolt action): http://www.gunbroker.com/item/713407254" rel="nofollow - http://www.gunbroker.com/item/713407254
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Posted By: RaySendero
Date Posted: 04 November 2017 at 15:27
CZ are interesting, too: http://www.gunbroker.com/item/714544597" rel="nofollow - http://www.gunbroker.com/item/714544597
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Posted By: Wing master
Date Posted: 04 November 2017 at 21:34
Ray, Those are right along the line of what I am looking for. Thanks.
That is the first 600 Remington I have ever seen with a vented rib barrel. I wonder what the point of that was? Maybe it raised the sight to the level of a scope?
Wing master
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Posted By: BEAR
Date Posted: 04 November 2017 at 22:12
The original 600s all had raised rib/ventilated. I seem to recal that the rib was plastic epoxy glued to barrel!
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Posted By: Irish Bird Dog
Date Posted: 04 November 2017 at 22:18
BEAR wrote:
The original 600s all had raised rib/ventilated. I seem to recal that the rib was plastic epoxy glued to barrel! |
THE ONE WE HAVE THE RIB IS SCREWED ON BUT IT IS PLASTIC. AS IS THE TRIGGER GUARD. No usable function to rib as I saw it and the plastic trigger guard somehow warped a bit too. I think Remington folks thought Rib added a "cool" factor maybe.
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Posted By: Irish Bird Dog
Date Posted: 04 November 2017 at 22:20
RaySendero wrote:
Only Ruger I find interesting for truck (not bolt action): http://www.gunbroker.com/item/713407254" rel="nofollow - http://www.gunbroker.com/item/713407254 |
Mini-14's are getting rather "spendy" now days....
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Posted By: RobertMT
Date Posted: 05 November 2017 at 05:39
Maybe I just shot bad ones, but the couple mini 14s, I've shot had terrible accuracy. They were somewhat popular during evil black rifle ban, but fell out of favor, with it's sunset.
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Posted By: Irish Bird Dog
Date Posted: 05 November 2017 at 10:04
RobertMT wrote:
Maybe I just shot bad ones, but the couple mini 14s, I've shot had terrible accuracy. They were somewhat popular during evil black rifle ban, but fell out of favor, with it's sunset. |
I think Ruger has addressed that problem in more recent times but certainly any of the older used models could still have that problem. Seems it was a bbl problem from what I can remember.
But anyway Wingmaster said Bolt gun so won't affect his choice I'd guess.
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Posted By: RaySendero
Date Posted: 05 November 2017 at 19:03
Wish I could talk him from scoping his truck rifle. Much better to use iron sights - They are going to get bumped around!?
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Posted By: BEAR
Date Posted: 05 November 2017 at 20:25
I think today's scopes MIGHT be stronger than irons, re bumping. ???
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Posted By: BEAR
Date Posted: 06 November 2017 at 15:44
Had company, in-laws, for the last 4 days. So I just read Sunday paper here.
I might have to buy ONE.
T/C compass $179.98.
might be too late...sold uot maybe at this price.
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Posted By: Wing master
Date Posted: 06 November 2017 at 22:50
Wow, That's a good price for any rifle.
I haven't seen one in person, but at that price it might be worth ordering one.
Wing master
------------- I have always considered myself to be quite the bullshitter, But ocasionally it is nice to sit back and listen to a true professional......So, Carry on.
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Posted By: Irish Bird Dog
Date Posted: 06 November 2017 at 23:05
Saw a Ruger mini-14 today in retail store...$839+/- change....not a cheap truck gun....iron sights of course....
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Posted By: RobertMT
Date Posted: 07 November 2017 at 05:23
Kinda wish, I would've ordered that rem, instead of just posting link, they're sold out now @ that price. I don't really have need for it, but still hate passing up deal like that.
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Posted By: Wing master
Date Posted: 07 November 2017 at 23:19
I agree Robert. That's what I'm thinking about that Thompson Center Compass. Around here they are around $300.00 but they also have a mail in rebate. I have read several reviews on line and they seem to be pretty accurate.
I will check Sportsmans Warehouse and see if they have one in stock I could look at. This one is really getting my interest.
Wing master
------------- I have always considered myself to be quite the bullshitter, But ocasionally it is nice to sit back and listen to a true professional......So, Carry on.
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Posted By: BEAR
Date Posted: 08 November 2017 at 07:24
Locaal gun shop has Compass for $179.98 so I went over and tried one out. decent...but the only ones they had were in 308, '06, 270. if they had a 243 it would have walked with me.
trigger is a littilt heavy but is adjustable.
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Posted By: RobertMT
Date Posted: 09 November 2017 at 21:21
I ordered Savage axis youth in 223, $140 after $50 rebate, I'll set it up for grandson's use and may end up as extra one for kids use. I'll load it down to 22 hornet levels, before stepping it up. I had set up heavy barreled savage 223, for his use, but this will be more his size. I keep hearing how accurate axis are, I guess I'll see.
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Posted By: Wing master
Date Posted: 09 November 2017 at 21:45
Keep me posted on the Axis Robert. If I haven't got something before then I will be really interested to find out how it does.
The local Sportsmans Warehouse doesn't have a TC Compass in stock to look at. I really don't want to order one without seeing one first. Their is one more gun shop about 10 miles outside town that I will check this weekend.
I am still scratchin' my head. I will decide on something pretty soon.
Wing master
------------- I have always considered myself to be quite the bullshitter, But ocasionally it is nice to sit back and listen to a true professional......So, Carry on.
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Posted By: Irish Bird Dog
Date Posted: 09 November 2017 at 21:51
Axis may be ok however, my grandson bought one few months ago....could never get the scope to work right.....turns out the scope base mounting holes drill/tapped into the top of receiver were not true to the bbl. Sent back to SAVAGE and they replaced the entire rifle. No word from him yet how/if the rifle mounts a scope accurately.
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Posted By: Wing master
Date Posted: 09 November 2017 at 22:02
IBD,
Let me know how that turns out. I understand a bad rifle here and there but if it looks like a pattern I might scratch that from the list.
Wing master
------------- I have always considered myself to be quite the bullshitter, But ocasionally it is nice to sit back and listen to a true professional......So, Carry on.
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Posted By: Wing master
Date Posted: 10 November 2017 at 22:57
Today I went to Walmart to see if they had a Savage Axis in .223. They didn't have any on the rack, but the girl behind the counter said according to her computer they had 3 in the back room. I looked over a .308 they had on the rack. The stock is pretty flimsey and I couldn't dry fire it to see how the trigger was because it didn't have the bolt in it. but I have read that the trigger is pretty heavy, but doesnt have a lot of creep. A lot of reviews said they cut a coil off of the trigger spring and ended up with an acceptable trigger. As far as the stock goes, You get what you pay for.
I had been reading reviews on them earlier and everything I had read was good. A lot of the reviews were really good. Like several people saying they shot half minute groups consistantly.
The price was $269.00. And Savage is offering a $50.00 rebate. The girl wasn't in her element so I said I would come back tomorrow. She had no clue how to get one out of the back room.
I think I will go back in the morning and get one. The price is pretty good and I guess if I can't get decent accuracy from it I am not out all that much. But I bet I will be able to get something acceptable out of it. At least Truck gun accuracy.
I will post a range report when I get it, get a scope on it and get to the range.
Thanks for all the input guys. I really appreciate it.
Wing master
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Posted By: Irish Bird Dog
Date Posted: 11 November 2017 at 00:07
Wing....there are 2 versions of the Savage AXIS rifles. First run had a standard trigger, might be what you heard about.....second version, AXIS II XP has the ACCU-Trigger, adjustable by user and very nice to use. Stock may be same on both models, no idea about that. Also, why they are pricing them to move if they be the first run with standard trigger. A little bit of research might be in order on your part. A Wal-Mart gun counter person most likely won't have a clue. Be sure to check the links out for info from SAVAGE & be sure to watch the video for the each model for design info & accu-trigger info. Search Results https://www.savagearms.com/firearms/model/axis" rel="nofollow - Savage Arms : Firearms : Model : AXIS https://www.savagearms.com/firearms/model/axis https://www.google.com/search?q=savage+axis&oq=s&aqs=chrome.0.69i59j0j35i39j69i60j69i57j69i60.4094j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#" rel="nofollow - - https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:OhSkg83_WJIJ:https://www.savagearms.com/firearms/model/axis+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us" rel="nofollow -
Series: Axis; Magazine: Detachable box; Stock Material: Synthetic; Barrel Material: Carbon Steel; Barrel Finish: Matte; Barrel Color: Black; AccuTrigger: No ...Weight: 6.5 lbs Magazine: Detachable box https://www.savagearms.com/firearms/model/axis2xp" rel="nofollow - Savage Arms : Firearms : Model : AXIS II XP https://www.savagearms.com/firearms/model/axis2xp https://www.google.com/search?q=savage+axis&oq=s&aqs=chrome.0.69i59j0j35i39j69i60j69i57j69i60.4094j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#" rel="nofollow - - https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:imDxMHdDvGMJ:https://www.savagearms.com/firearms/model/axis2xp+&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us" rel="nofollow -
AXIS II XP. AXIS Series. $485 MSRP. Locate a Dealer. axisIIxp.png ... The Savage AccuTrigger gives a shooter the flexibility to set the trigger pull to their ...Weight: 6.5 lbs MSRP: $485.00 Magazine: Detachable box
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Posted By: Irish Bird Dog
Date Posted: 11 November 2017 at 00:16
Wingmaster another video for you to check out and look on right side of screen for more of same type
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0c_iMgQIhjk" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0c_iMgQIhjk
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Posted By: jsgbearpaws1
Date Posted: 11 November 2017 at 02:05
I'ld go with a 6- 6.5 class gun for the truck. Fast and flat enough for any varmint and big enough for any of the rest if need arises. Easy enough to find a used Savage 110 or a Ruger 77 in the .243. A good ring set like the SSK, TSOB and a Nikon prostaff, all in for under 5 bills and will take a beating and still shoot well.
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Posted By: RobertMT
Date Posted: 11 November 2017 at 09:09
The youth axis, I ordered, is the pre-accutrigger, which can be better, after work than acctrigger. This series covers it pretty good, be sure to watch first one also. https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=3&v=_NLKp3Djf3U" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=3&v=_NLKp3Djf3U
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Posted By: Irish Bird Dog
Date Posted: 11 November 2017 at 14:30
It's not the .223 Wing stated he was looking for but another truck gun option would be the MINI-30 in 7.62x39. Ya, I know it's just a Mini-14 with a bigger bore.
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Posted By: Wing master
Date Posted: 11 November 2017 at 23:12
After a day of elk hunting, I stopped in at Walmart and picked up the AXIS. It came with bases and I had an old set of Weaver rings so I put them on. I put the bolt in it and it is pretty smooth. The trigger is really bad.
It is the pre accutrigger model. The model with the accutrigger is about $100 more expensive. I figured for a hundred bucks I can get a Timney so that didn't take too long to decide. I am betting like the above video I can make it acceptable.
After walking up and down hills all day I didn't feel much like doing any more tonight. I'll put a scope on it tomorrow. I have one that's not on a rifle right now.
I am hoping to get it out and shoot it tomorrow. If I do I will post the results.
Edited to add: I didn't see any elk.
Wing master
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Posted By: Wing master
Date Posted: 11 November 2017 at 23:27
jsgbearpaws1 wrote:
I'ld go with a 6- 6.5 class gun for the truck. Fast and flat enough for any varmint and big enough for any of the rest if need arises. Easy enough to find a used Savage 110 or a Ruger 77 in the .243. A good ring set like the SSK, TSOB and a Nikon prostaff, all in for under 5 bills and will take a beating and still shoot well. |
JSG,
I have been kinda using a .243 as a truck gun for the last several years. Every time I go out to the field, I throw in my Sako Forrester chambered in .243.
The thing is, It is starting to get dinged up and that is starting to hurt my feelings.
The other thing is, I have several thousand rounds of .223 loaded for my AR and I never shoot my AR. I doubt it will be very accurate in this gun because I loaded it to feed in my AR. But when I get enough brass to
I guess this is the first time I have bought a rifle just because I had some ammo.
Wing master
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Posted By: RobertMT
Date Posted: 12 November 2017 at 03:23
Here's another utube, with basic trigger job, skipping shim and spring replacement. Instead it shows just clipping spring and polishing trigger. If you use carpenter's pencil, instead of rubbing compound, you get smoother surface. Video shows using unsupported rag to polish, a little compound on piece of glass or block is better.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?=57&v=B3GvLTi2CCA" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?=57&v=B3GvLTi2CCA
If this doesn't clean up trigger enough, go to full shim and spring replacement utube. Be sure to leave enough pressure on spring, to hold sear engagement. Link to trigger test, post #2 of thread. http://www.savageshooters.com/showthread.php?40510-Axis-DIY-Trigger-Job" rel="nofollow - http://www.savageshooters.com/showthread.php?40510-Axis-DIY-Trigger-Job
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Posted By: jsgbearpaws1
Date Posted: 12 November 2017 at 03:34
I get what your saying. I have a few AR's as well.....and I know a few k rounds at the range goes fast. You may get lucky on the Axis liking the ammo you already have worked up. Unlike those CZ curtain rods, the Savages tend to shoot everything pretty well.
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Posted By: BEAR
Date Posted: 12 November 2017 at 04:03
I seem to remember a beef farm down in the grasslands that was just filled with those big deer!!
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Posted By: Go-ddaed
Date Posted: 12 November 2017 at 07:38
WalMart had a end of season sale on garden supplies?
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Posted By: Go-ddaed
Date Posted: 12 November 2017 at 07:46
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Posted By: Ranch Dog
Date Posted: 12 November 2017 at 08:31
I know that the OP found his rifle but I enjoyed the read. I also thought I would address a couple of comments concerning the Rem 600.
Irish Bird Dog wrote:
BEAR wrote:
The original 600s all had raised rib/ventilated. I seem to recal that the rib was plastic epoxy glued to barrel! |
THE ONE WE HAVE THE RIB IS SCREWED ON BUT IT IS PLASTIC. AS IS THE TRIGGER GUARD. No usable function to rib as I saw it and the plastic trigger guard somehow warped a bit too. I think Remington folks thought Rib added a "cool" factor maybe. |
The idea behind the rib was the same as that with a shotgun, provide a sighting plane on the short barrel and the ability to dissipate heat waves on that plane. The design concept of the 600 & 660 (6.5 & 350 RM) was a lightweight carbine. The rib is was made of DuPont nylon and the trigger guard was plastic. All an effort to keep weight at a minimum.
Most riflemen now, would not know who the fellow in this ad is. This man did not participate in the development of the 600, which originated with Rem, he quickly embraced it for his purpose, and he was used to promote the rifle. Clicking on the ad will open a full page ad.
http://www.ranchdogoutdoors.com/Firearms/Rem_600/images/600_ad.jpg" rel="nofollow">
The man is Col. Jeff Cooper, father of the scout rifle concept. Back in the sixties, his face was just as well known as is Gunny's today. His comments "Show me a carbine with real power and I'll buy it!" was a direct comparison of how many felt about trying to figure out how the current weapon used by the military would ever fit as a "sporting" carbine.
The 600 was very popular in my neck of the woods, South Texas, and I know many hunters that bought them and still are using them. I never saw a 660 in 350RM down here but the 6.5RM was very popular as well. I know a ranching family that still shoots it, saw the writing on the wall for its demise and bought several generations worth of brass.
The ribs did warp and crack, and the floor plates did bow from magazine spring tension. Rem https://www.gunpartscorp.com/products/87350" rel="nofollow - replacement ribs are available, they are now made of polymers. The https://www.gunpartscorp.com/products/87890" rel="nofollow - trigger guards are still plastic but available. Ribs and guards are now available in aluminium and steel. There was a misconception that the rib could be simply removed. The only problem with that is that there are lugs welded on the barrel that support that rib.
Redfield made a Jr. IER mount for the rifle. The rear sight needed to be removed, but the base incorporated an adjustable rear sight. I own a Rem 600 chambered in 35 Rem and it is one of my most treasured firearms. It has the Redfield mount, an aluminum rib, and steel trigger guard.
Ribs, steel ribs, with rifles can also be used to stiffen a barrel. The common issue with a SMLE No. 5 is that poor accuracy as it heats up. I own a gunsmith project rifle that addressed the issue with the steel rib.
The rifle was made in the sixties when the 600s where being sold, I bought it a few years back and added a scout base to the rib.
RaySendero wrote:
W m, I, too, like bolt action rifles. Here's a look at my truck rifle: Its a bubbized British Enfield No4Mk1* |
Ray, like your idea of a No. 5 as a truck gun. 10 rounds of 303 British quickly out the barrel with something like the 215-grain Woodleigh is impressive.
I just had a No. 4 Mk1 made it to a modern scout, it is not a Jeff Cooper concept rifle, but it is extremely accurate and the action fast.
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Posted By: Tikkabuck
Date Posted: 12 November 2017 at 09:32
Wing if I was looking for an inexpensive truck gun this would be it . They are really great shooters right out of the box. And you can get them in lots of different configurations . I'd stay away from the Savage axis like I would my X wife. LOL http://www.gunbroker.com/item/717014984" rel="nofollow - http://www.gunbroker.com/item/717014984 http://www.gunbroker.com/item/716368320" rel="nofollow - http://www.gunbroker.com/item/716368320 But then you know me . http://www.gunbroker.com/item/716747591" rel="nofollow - http://www.gunbroker.com/item/716747591 LOL
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Posted By: Wing master
Date Posted: 12 November 2017 at 14:50
Tikka. I looked at the Ruger American and it was a close decision. The reviews I read were a little better on the Savage, and the Savage was in stock locally.
If I can't get 1 1/2 inch groups at 100 yards out of it I can always plant a couple more tomato plants in the garden.
Wing master
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Posted By: Wing master
Date Posted: 12 November 2017 at 14:54
Ranch Dog.
It's good to hear from you. Thanks for the information. I enjoyed reading it.
Wing master
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Posted By: Wing master
Date Posted: 12 November 2017 at 14:57
Go-ddaed,
This is the first Savage I have ever had.
It seems like the people that like them really like them. The people that really don't like them, really don't like them.
Wing master
------------- I have always considered myself to be quite the bullshitter, But ocasionally it is nice to sit back and listen to a true professional......So, Carry on.
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Posted By: Wing master
Date Posted: 12 November 2017 at 15:12
BEAR wrote:
I seem to remember a beef farm down in the grasslands that was just filled with those big deer!! |
I was in that area yesterday elk hunting. I saw a lot of big deer.
If it's deer season and I have a tag in my pocket, I'll have a bigger gun.
I'm really hoping that my 6.5x55 project is done before next deer season. When I dropped it off on May 5th, I told him I needed it back in time to work up loads for hunting season. I guess I need to be more specific next time and tell him what year.
Wing master
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Posted By: RobertMT
Date Posted: 12 November 2017 at 16:29
Tikkabuck wrote:
clip I'd stay away from the Savage axis like I would my X wife. |
Axis are very ugly, even uglier than a Savage, but like a ugly women, they try harder and you get used to their looks.
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Posted By: Wing master
Date Posted: 12 November 2017 at 20:10
And if they don't perform you don't mind staking tomatoes with them.
Wing master
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Posted By: Ranch Dog
Date Posted: 13 November 2017 at 06:31
Wing master wrote:
Ranch Dog.
It's good to hear from you. Thanks for the information. I enjoyed reading it.
Wing master | Thanks, been gone too long, but life is finally providing me with some free time. I've always really like this member group.
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Posted By: jsgbearpaws1
Date Posted: 13 November 2017 at 07:05
Wing master wrote:
And if they don't perform you don't mind staking tomatoes with them.
Wing master
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They are known to shoot well enough out of the box and are cheap enough to beat them like a redheaded step child and not feel bad about it. But if you want a fickle beauty that is afraid of riding in a vehicle without having it's own heated seat and cover and a bed of cash to lay in, get a CZ. Beauty is as beauty does.
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Posted By: BEAR
Date Posted: 13 November 2017 at 07:43
Nice deer Ranch.
I recognized the pic/ad of Cooper because of the 'scout' scope configuration.
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Posted By: RobertMT
Date Posted: 16 November 2017 at 19:26
I picked up Axis today and mounted scope and did trigger job.
I found an even simpler method.
Take out spring cementing compound, as seen in https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=3&v=_NLKp3Djf3U" rel="nofollow - trigger 1:00 in video, after you have gunk removed, screw the spring down tight, you'll see upper spring is fatter, screw spring in until that bulge is against trigger. Test it at this point, it's the same spring as Savage uses for accutrigger, it just is cemented in place and missing blade safety. Mine went from seven pounds to four pounds, at this point, that's light enough for grandson. If you wanted it lighter, you could clip a coil or two and smooth up creep. I want to leave a little creep and travel for grandson, to learn on.
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Posted By: Wing master
Date Posted: 16 November 2017 at 19:52
I'll try that trigger job first Robert. Thanks.
When you get a chance to shoot it let us know how it does.
Wing master
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Posted By: jsgbearpaws1
Date Posted: 28 November 2017 at 18:38
You know, I just noticed how cheap rifles are getting........wow!
Anywho, my son gave me an early Christmas present, a 7mm Winny SP OR XP something, probably should look a little closer, but a rifle is a rifle and how it shoots should be the deciding factor. Comes with a Vortex on it and it seems to gather light very well and is clear enough to work well. Grabbed a box of 175 BTSP's and set up at a hundred. First was high and left, easy correct and put 3 in an 1 1/4" triangle..........OK, sure, it's a synthetic stock and has a fair amount of bolt wobble, but lock-up is tight and consistent and smooth as you could ask. Trigger breaks clean and not too heavy so a new stock is all it needs to be the new winner in the safe! Too nice for the truck but it was free and who can argue that price!
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Posted By: Wing master
Date Posted: 29 November 2017 at 00:01
It sounds like you have a winner JSG. First factory ammo you tried and quarter inch groups.
I have improved accuracy with reloads with every rifle I have. It might be interesting to see how it works out. Keep us posted.
Wing master
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Posted By: jsgbearpaws1
Date Posted: 29 November 2017 at 03:38
1 1/4", but for the first four and cheap ammo, can't complain too much. Gonna blow a couple hundred through it and then work up some loads. Would be nice to get it down to quarter inch groups. It's the closest I've seen to Weatherby accuracy straight out of a box with not even a patch run through it though. Time and rounds through always tell the tale in the end and this one may have some potential.
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Posted By: Tikkabuck
Date Posted: 29 November 2017 at 09:00
RobertMT wrote:
Tikkabuck wrote:
clip I'd stay away from the Savage axis like I would my X wife. |
Axis are very ugly, even uglier than a Savage, but like a ugly women, they try harder and you get used to their looks. |
There are so many used ones here for sale. Makes me wonder why ? Old Savage's I like ,99's ,110's . Its like Remington 7600's ,there have been millions sold ,but you never see them on the used racks.
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Posted By: BEAR
Date Posted: 30 November 2017 at 09:19
760 and 7600 are standard in Pennsylvania. ever gun shop has 2-3 minimun. usually in 270 or 30-06. four guys in our hunting group use/love thrm. If you Get to PA you will fine what ever you want, most look pretty new.
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