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Topic: ccw out of state gun
Posted By: BEAR
Subject: ccw out of state gun
Date Posted: 22 February 2017 at 10:11
My truck gun a Smith m39 is getting too big for out of
state CCW.

So I took the plunge and bought a 380. super light,
super small; but feels good in my hand. Diamondback 380
DA.



https://diamondbackfirearms.com/collections/db380-
pistol-series/products/diamondback-db380fde?
variant=27565524294




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Posted By: deaddog
Date Posted: 22 February 2017 at 10:37


Buffalo Bore .380 +p is one of the few viable ccw rounds for the .380.



DD

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Posted By: thedad
Date Posted: 22 February 2017 at 11:07
How does it shoot? Why not the 9mm?

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Posted By: RobertMT
Date Posted: 22 February 2017 at 12:39
For 380, Hornady Critical Defense, seemed to both feed and function well and because it's not HP, you don't have worry about plugged HP nor legal issues in places, where HP is illegal.

I went to get LCP II to replace, my LCP my daughter ended up with, but I ended up getting Taurus PT111 instead.

Maybe if I get G42, she'll like it better and I can get my LCP back?



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Posted By: deaddog
Date Posted: 22 February 2017 at 13:49

At least in Florida you only have t-shirts and shorts not Carhartt jackets
and blue jeans to penetrate.

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Posted By: Wing master
Date Posted: 22 February 2017 at 13:54
I like it. At 8.8 ounces I am thinking you won't even know
it's there.

What kind of holster are you going to carry it in?

Wing master

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Posted By: BEAR
Date Posted: 22 February 2017 at 14:27
Bought it on line sending it to LGS in north. But racked
it a few times and shot some. My hands are poor, and this
racks easy.

Going to buy some ammo down here so recommendations are
great. thanks.

Holster, going with a fake cell-phone case. magnets hold
it closed. thoughts???


Posted By: Irish Bird Dog
Date Posted: 22 February 2017 at 15:16
hey bear...did you buy the PINK/White one or the
Pink/black one?


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Posted By: RobertMT
Date Posted: 22 February 2017 at 17:23
I have seen them and have friend who on occasion uses Bulldog case. It's only slightly less obvious than open carry. Nobody carries that big of phone on belt. I've heard one that combines phone case on belt, with IWB behind it, is worthless to draw from and dangerous to reholster.

I have one of these for LCP and it disappears in front or back pocket.
http://ads.midwayusa.com/product/944079/desantis-super-fly-pocket-holster-ambidextrous-kel-tec-p32-p3at-ruger-lcp-nylon-black - pocket holster

I also have similar IWB, you can forget it's there.
http://ads.midwayusa.com/product/2375129181/desantis-pocket-tuk-inside-the-waistband-or-pocket-holster-diamondback-db380-db9-leather-brown - IWB

I believe this would fit diamondback.
http://ads.midwayusa.com/product/182953/desantis-super-fly-pocket-holster-ambidextrous-colt-pony-mustang-sig-p238-p238-equinox-s-and-w-m-and-p-bodyguard-380 - colt
http://ads.midwayusa.com/product/232344/desantis-nemesis-pocket-holster-ambidextrous-diamondback-db9-nylon-black - diamondback

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Posted By: CB900F
Date Posted: 23 February 2017 at 03:01
BEAR;

Look at the DeSantis pocket holster for the LCP, it might
be good for you & that gun.

900F

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Posted By: BEAR
Date Posted: 23 February 2017 at 03:27
Robert, the links don't work on our board. can you just
post the link/url in non-HTPL. I can cut and paste.
thanks.


Posted By: BEAR
Date Posted: 23 February 2017 at 03:36
I looked at DeSantis pocket holster. It fits inside your
pocket. those types always bite my inner thigh when I sit
down.

thinking a belt clip "looking like a cell phone case'.
Saw Sneaky Pete but will really need to try one on the
actual pistol and my belt. When I carry on my hip, it is
comfortable to sit in a car.

All suggestions are appreciated, probably be the last
holster I'll be buying.


Posted By: RobertMT
Date Posted: 23 February 2017 at 03:59
Since you don't care for pocket holster, here's couple more easily concealed choices.

http://ads.midwayusa.com/product/2375129181/desantis-pocket- tuk-inside-the-waistband-or-pocket-holster-diamondback-db380 -db9-leather-brown

http://ads.midwayusa.com/product/516183/desantis-quick-snap- outside-the-waistband-holster-right-hand-diamondback-db9-lea ther-black

I have several of the Alien gear, cloak tuck 3.0 IWB and they're very comfortable. There's wet suit material against skin, behind holster, less irritating to skin. They also offer leather backer, if you prefer it.

http://aliengearholsters.com/holsters/diamondback-db380.html


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Posted By: Tikkabuck
Date Posted: 23 February 2017 at 04:00
In my Sig p232 ,I always use ,Sig Elite Peformace . works really well in the 380. And since I don't care for holsters ,I have a Clipdraw on it. www.clapdraw.com


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Posted By: Wing master
Date Posted: 23 February 2017 at 09:18
I carry a S&W Shield at work. I carry it in a Lobo Gun
Leather paddle holster. It's a bigger gun than yours and
it totally dissapears under a sweatshirt. I could
probably carry it under an untucked tee shirt, but I'm
not too crazy about the idea of some old lady customer
seeing it while I am guiding her into the car wash.

In the summer I carry a model 60 S&W (J frame). It's in
a inside the waistband holster I got from The Holster
Store. It is very well hidden under an untucked tee
shirt and very comfortable. Not as comfortable as the
shield outside the waistband.

I like carrying a revolver when I'm on the road.

Wing master

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Posted By: BEAR
Date Posted: 27 February 2017 at 03:04
Finally shipped. Not sure I like the waiting of this
on-line stuff!!!!

On ammo, thinking I have 3 choices on bullet weight:90,
95, 100 grains.

Going to get a box so i can stop and shoot on the way
home from LGS.

Both of the ammo you guys recommended are 90
grains....is that the best way to go????



Posted By: deaddog
Date Posted: 27 February 2017 at 06:18
Before 1975 when CCI came out with the Stinger the way to get
explosive terminal performance out of a .22 was to snip the rounded
part off with a side cutter and run a file on the edges so it would feed.
The effect on full soda cans or gophers was tremendous compared to
regular rounds.

The .380 suffers from not enough barrel length or powder capacity to
get the violent upset that homemade or Stinger rounds can do. Then
you look at the projectiles. Trying to get a bullet to expand at 800fps is
extremely difficult. The Stinger is twice as fast. If the bullet doesn't
expand it is basically a kids size wooden arrow without any fletching or
broad head. It will penetrate a soft medium quite well unless it hits
something hard to deflect it but it normally passes through without
imparting much of its energy.

So if you glean anything from this- lite and fast and expandable are
what you are looking for in .380 ammo.

Research the 38 S&W's performance during the Philippine/American
conflict of 1898-1902 for further insight.

DD

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Posted By: BEAR
Date Posted: 27 February 2017 at 08:08
Interesting thoughts "...it normally passes through
without imparting much of its energy."

Do you think a FMJ 380 would pass thru a human chest
cavity?


Posted By: deaddog
Date Posted: 27 February 2017 at 11:00

I think you will find the 95gr fmj to be nearly a round ball almost as wide
as it is tall. Basically a single pellet of a 00 buck but moving 350 per
second slower than a 12ga.

While I don't believe ballistic gelatin to be a direct replacement for living
tissue it does have the ability to show comparisons between different
ammunition. Many videos are out there for most any brand or caliber
you can think of.

I've used milk and other water filled jugs full of water, wet sheet rock,
asphalt shingles over cardboard etc. Used to use wet phone books but
they aren't big enough anymore.

My experience with the fmj's is lack of upset. My anology is like
shooting a gallon jug of water at 40 yds with a standard velocity .22.
You may shoot it 3-4 times before you notice it move because enough
water has drained out. Shoot it at 15 yards with a Stinger and their is no
mistaking a hit.

Do I think a fmj would pass through a chest cavity? Yes

What percent of the time? No idea. Hit a substantial bone and all bets
are off. Catch a rib at an angle and it's likely to follow the cage around
and exit out the back.

I was out the other day picking up bullets from melted snow banks that I
shoot at all winter. Most are pristine and could be loaded and shot
again. You would be surprised how little snow it takes to stop a bullet.

DD

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Posted By: RobertMT
Date Posted: 27 February 2017 at 14:55
Critical defense, tested in Taurus 738 TCP, as small or smaller than diamondback pistol.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5TJSUADOwA

Final test for .380, best for defense test.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNtPHYwcDts
HTP my preferred bullet in 9mm and 45, did very well.

I personally prefer expansion, I don't expect 380 to meet FBI protocol. I may change back to HTP, from FTX, though it expanded well, for me. Reviewer said it expanded too much for him?

Different video, same ammo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8hr8X7RLTI

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Posted By: BEAR
Date Posted: 28 February 2017 at 03:12
.I read lots of reviews on the net. I read the worse
ones first. Seems that the FTX by Hornady has plenty of
fail to fire and feed & ejection problems. And these
comments are from many different brands of pistols.
Might be that Hornady has changed it slightly???
gunsmith though they were thicker primers in the FTX.

These are serious problems for CCW.

Right now I want the most reliable feed/fire/eject ammo.
After I have reliability, then I'll play with
expansion/penetration. I tend to prefer penetration to
expansion, especially in light CCW guns. I really don't
want to get into reloading this new round.


Posted By: RobertMT
Date Posted: 28 February 2017 at 04:14
My experiences with Hornady ammo have been good and I don't care for their rifle bullets, so I'm not normally a Hornady fan. I haven't tried Sig or Fiocchi 380 ammo, so can't speak to those. I would buy a few brands and see what functions best in your Diamondback, you want to put some rounds through it anyway, to break it in. Pick what works for your pistol, I would stay away from magtech, white box, UMC, and other "bargin" lines.

I've used Hornady Custom pistol ammo, with XTP bullets in several pistols, in .380, 9mm, and 45 and never had any fail to feed, fail to fire, or fail to eject, with quality pistol (see below). I've picked up some of the Hornady "American Gunner" ammo and it also uses XTP bullets and appears to be same as "custom" line, but has flag on box, few bucks cheaper. I expect it'll be like V Max and Zombie bullets, same except marketing.

When I first got 380, I went with Keltec, before replacing it with Ruger LCP, because Keltec didn't feed reliably. Hornady custom is only one that was even close to acceptable in it. I tried dozen different brands in Keltec jamamatic and even started reloading 380 for it. Hotter loads seemed to increase reliability and because Hornady Custom is "hottest" factory I tried, it worked best.

I used up partial boxes of brands, I had bought for Keltec in LCP and it too preferred Hornady's XTP load. I had switched to critical defense, because it was reported to expand better, after shooting through heavy clothes and not overpenetrate after HP is plugged. I never had feeding issues, in LCP with it, I only shot couple boxes, for testing though. I did trust it enough, to let daughter use it, with my LCP she ended up with.

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Posted By: BEAR
Date Posted: 28 February 2017 at 05:19
I'm a big Hornady fan, for 55 years. I like their XTP
pistol loads and shoot about 5000 of their rifle bullets
each year.

I also shoot and carry a 32 auto, the 32 ACP makes the
380 look like a MAGNUM. I was carrying HP in that, but
after a few decades switched to solid, wanting more
penetration in the mini-defense weapon.

I've got a 1500 mile drive before picking up the pistol.
As I pass along I'll pick up at least 2 boxes of
different ammo. Probably be just break-in ammo; I don't
trust auto pistols until about 1000 rounds. And as with
all new guns I'll need a good bit of shooting to figure
the best way for me to shoot.


Posted By: BEAR
Date Posted: 28 February 2017 at 05:37
I often hear the 380 is a bad choice because of limited
brands/kinds of ammo.

found this site with many CCW ammo brands, a lifetime of
testing would be required, even plastic bullet ammo!

http://www.luckygunner.com/380-auto-56-grain-arx-polycase-
25-rounds#reviews


Posted By: Irish Bird Dog
Date Posted: 28 February 2017 at 16:39
Bullets (& powders) have come a long way in past decade
or even more recently. Making calibers like the 9mm &
.380 more viable as a self defense caliber. Certainly
lots to choose from now days. But I agree with
bear...reliability is first. Some of the new 9mm semi
autos are nearly as small as many .380's.

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Posted By: Wing master
Date Posted: 28 February 2017 at 17:27
I really like Speer Gold Dots. When I can find them
locally, that's what I carry in both of my carry guns. 38
special and 9mm.

I assume they make them in .380.

Wing master

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Posted By: BEAR
Date Posted: 02 March 2017 at 00:38
yep, they make it.

380 Auto - 90 Grain JHP - Speer Gold Dot - 50 Rounds $34.


Posted By: BEAR
Date Posted: 04 March 2017 at 06:56
gun is in. But I'm in DC. will be back to pick it up on
Tues.

Off in 1 hour, Shopping Walmart for just any old box to
breakin/try it out. If i can find any of the ammo you
folks recommend, I'll get it. But probably get stuck with
white box winchesters.



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