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    Posted: 01 February 2017 at 13:17
Bear, any comments on this report taken from an NRA email?

Yesterday, the Pennsylvania Game Commission unanimously passed the proposed rulemaking for the semi-auto rifle hunting law at the quarterly meeting.  Final approval for the regulations will take place at theMarch 27-28 meeting.  Signed by Governor Tom Wolf on November 21, 2016, Act 168 of 2016 eliminates the prohibition on the use of semi-automatic rifles for hunting and allows for the Pennsylvania Game Commission to regulate these sporting rifles for all game species in accordance with season and bag limits.

The Commissioners also expanded the use of semi-automatic rifle hunting to now include fall turkey season in addition to small game and varmints, bear, elk and deer. 

As most other states have discovered, allowing hunters to use semi-automatic rifles is nothing more than expanding firearm selection for the hunter afield.  Semi-automatic rifles simply give hunters a much greater ability to fire a timely and accurate follow-up shot, which can be the huge difference between wounding or quickly taking a game animal.  Ending the prohibition on semi-automatic rifle hunting will provide Pennsylvania hunters the same opportunities and options enjoyed by hunters in 48 states.

Please stay tuned to www.nrail.org and your email inbox for further updates on Game Commissionís rulemaking regarding semi-auto rifle hunting.  Also, for more information regarding the meetings, please refer to the Game Commission website.


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Not heard anything official. It will come, but probably
slowly.

This really not a hunting issue, more of a gun rights
issue. Trying to make an AR into a MSR!

Most AR owners are not hunters, just collectors,
plinkers, or want-a-be tactical persons. So this is not
something that hunters or gun shops have lobbied for.
More of a national campaign.

I will not change much in PA regarding hunting; as the
bolt action and slide action dominate the woods.
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Originally posted by BEAR BEAR wrote:

Not heard anything official. It will come,
but probably
slowly.

This really not a hunting issue, more of a gun rights
issue. Trying to make an AR into a MSR!

Most AR owners are not hunters, just collectors,
plinkers, or want-a-be tactical persons. So this is not
something that hunters or gun shops have lobbied for.
More of a national campaign.


I will not change much in PA regarding hunting; as the
bolt action and slide action dominate the woods.


bear, Why do you think it's an AR thingy only for the
push for semi-auto rifles for deer hunting in PA.....don'
you think PA deer hunters would be using the Remington
semi-auto or Browning semi-auto or old win M100 or Benali
semi-auto vs the AR style for conventional deer
hunting?????
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Sure, some will. But this was NOT a push by hunters who
wanted semi; most did not as a safety issue. No grass
root support for this change. No sportsmens club voting,
no hunter ballots, opinion polls, etc. Just the gun
lobby.

Even LGS, who might want more sales, didn't ask for it.

Hunters have been lobbying and petitioning for legal
SUNDAY HUNTING for the last 50 years. Haven't got it yet
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Irish Bird Dog Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 February 2017 at 14:03
Ok I get that part of who didn't push for the semi-auto
for hunting BUT........
....there is absolutely ZERO reasoning behind the
statement that "most did not (push for allowing semi-
auto's) as a safety issue".

Semi-auto rifles have been allowed in many states (WI MN
MI etc) for eons and never have I seen any data to say
they made for a safety issue during hunting. I would have
to ask those folks "why?"...what would make them more
UnSafe?

Untold millions of rounds are fired thru .22LR self
loaders ie: semi-auto rifles and no outcry to stop them
because of SAFETY Issues. You have some kooky folks in PA
it would seem as far as firearms logic goes.
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Yes....we do. 
...oh yeah! thats gonna hurt!
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Unfortunately there are "spray and pray" folks in
hunting. Hunt New york state sometimes. Those guns
fire a full load of shells at every deer they see.

You will seldom hear a single shot fired during deer
season. All 4-7 shots are rapid fire. and bullets whizz
by you!!

Many times after 4+ rapid fire shots, I've walked 300+
yards to ask a guy "if he got it" only hear him say no.
They seldom get out of their tree stands to even check
for blood? So the deer keep running, till someone sees a
deer running at 200-300 yards and then he opens fire.

There is no 'need' for semi in deer hunting. Same in
duck hunting HALF the duck hunters that shoot at a duck
with a semi will empty the mag on every bird. Never saw
a 'sky buster' shoot a double or pump? why??? you
figure it out.

Saturday I hunted pheasants one guy had a Benelli semi.
He shot 3 times at every bird, even on the rare
occasions when he hit the bird. I asked why he would
even shoot at a bird that he had hit (we had good dogs).
He said, "I brought 3 boxes of shells, I'm not taking
them home".

I don't know what the brain problems are? but they are
real. and to many quality hunters, a serious concern.
I hunt public lands mostly, but hunt deep in. And often
move away from any areas with average/poor hunters.

Why am I seeing guys hunting deer with tactical vests
on??? strange people hunting today.

Semi rifles are generally close to the accuracy of bolt
rifles. Semi rifles are almost as safe as bolt guns.
But not all people are safe shooters or hunters, IMO
unsafe hunters chose semi.
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Spot on!
...oh yeah! thats gonna hurt!
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We don't see that here in the northwoods of the midwest
it must be in the water out there
Many states that allow semi-auto rifles limit the
magazines to 5 rds for hunting anyway.

Remember during WWII many vets were exposed to the semi
auto and full auto firearms for the first time and when
they came home it was a natural for them to buy a semi
auto deer gun...whatever ones were available then..
..Rem 740 Woodsmaster for one, around 1955ish.....maybe 4
or 5 rds in magazine at best. A quarter of a million were
sold in late 1950's alone not counting any other brands
out there.

Don't recall any stories of mayhem in the woods as a
result of all those guns out there each deer season. Not
then and not now. WE and PA to I think have about 600,000
plus deer hunters each fall...many here are armed with a
semi-auto rifle of some kind and no issues reported based
on JUST those semi-auto rifles in the field. HUNTER
SAFETY PROGRAMS that are mandatory in most states help a
lot with safe gun handling. Maybe PA and NY should try
it.

Here are some Model 740 Woodsmaster historical facts,
courtesy of our friends at Remington:

Remington Model 740 courtesy of gunbroker.com
Description: Autoloading Hunting Rifle
Year Discontinued: 1959
Total Production: Approximately: 251,398
Designer/Inventor: Research & Development
Action Type: Semi-automatic
Caliber/Gauge: .244 Remington, .308 Win, .280 Remington,
.30-06
Number of Grades Offered: 740A Standard, 740ADL Deluxe,
740BDL Deluxe, 740D Peerless, 740F Premier
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