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    Posted: 31 March 2005 at 12:30

Hi everyone,

A while ago i wrote a post looking for a canvas tent and i found one. Now i need your ideas on how i should go about inserting the stove jack and the best place on my tent to have it. If you look at the pic youll see its a wigwam style Woods tent. Do i run it outtheside and up with the stove pipe or do i run it straight up and out. I could buy a stove jack but i believe that why waste money if i can do it myself especially when theres other outdoorsmen within the BSB that can help me. So take a look at my tent and tell me what you think. The guy i bought it off used it for hunting and sometimes put his horses in it on his trip so you can imagine its a fair size. It takes one pole in the centre that you cut down using a small tree and it stands 10ft tall at the centre with 2 ft walls. Id say from the centre pole it measures 7ft to the wall in each direction.

 

 

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Gary, with 2 ft. side walls, I don't think you are going to have much luck running out the wall. Outfitter suppliers and saddle shops carry flexible stove jacks. Stay away from the metal ones.
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Hi Waksupi,

What i meant about running out of the side was do i use a stove pipe that goes up, turns with the help of an elbow section in the pipe, out the side of the slanted part of the tent, add another elbow and then straight up? I looked for stove jacks on google but didnt have much luck. Most of the hits i got were wall tent companies advertising their tents with a stove jack feature already sewn in. Im sure there is a site out there so im probably not typimg in the right search string.

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Without having a real sidewall, I'd put it as close to the center and go out the top, sorta like a true teepee.  You will get the best heat transfer and the least amount of rain water running in.

I hunted with a native in Alaska. The jack in the wall tent worked great.  Over coffee one night (6 months?) he told me his 95 year old father made the jack oout of old mil wire.  These guys make everything and this worked as good if not better than any store bought stuff.  Wish I'd have had the time to spend with his dad and learned the craft.

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I'd definitely go with a straight section. Elbows are always a pain in the butt, especially in wind. I also rig up a couple holes, on somewhere on the stove, and one up the pipe aways, to stretch a screen door spring between. The wind has a real tendancy to work them apart, otherwise.

Try looking at the Riley stove website. They probably either have, or can tell you where to get the flexible jacks. Take a look at thier pellet camp stoves, too. I have one of the burner units, and made my own stove. Works dandy!

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Hi Waksupi

I checked out Rileys and didnt see anything on there but they do have a lot of neat stuff. One quick question. What do they make stove jacks out of? Is it asbestos or some other fire proof material?

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For that size tent, just about any wood stove is going to run you out with the heat. Especially up in the peak about shoulder high and above.

If you don't plan on packing in, You might look at some of the vent free propane heaters that Northern Tool carries. You still need  a fresh oxygen supply and a CO monitor would be good. A few 20 lb tanks would last you a week. Usually you don't need heat in the middle of the night, and you can adjust the heat they put out. Great for setting around the tent at night, and in the morning, you can fire it up, get warm, and have breakfeast and then turn it off when you leave. No worries about leaving a live fire like you do with a wood stove. If you are cooking inside the tent, usually the cook stove will provide enough heat in morning and you have the shut the heater down anyway. 

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Gary,

Unless you have a large pack of horses, this doesn't look like a pack in style tent trip you are talking about.

Some thoughts about the center pole.  Military tents and your Indian version but ALL the heavy tent weight on that single center pole (unless you got a 'sky hook').  I'd not trust using a cut pole for the center post if you don't need to.  I assume you are camping utility trailer style aka F-250 rustic.  You can get 2 inch thin wall metal pipe at any home center, look in the fence dept.  Get a 5 and a 6 foot length, with a 1 foot of 2 1/2 for a coupling.  They will then fit in the bed and also you have one foot to push into the ground.  Make the 6 foot piece the ground stake and you can push the sharpened end about a foot into the ground.  after the tent is staked around the outer end the top half can be used to raise the roof.

The steel pole also lets you attach some pipe clamps with wing nuts to hang a Coleman lantern, etc.  You can also put some cross rods on the ground stake at the 1 foot level to help push the stake in to the ground and also stop it from going in to far in soft soil after a few days of supporting the tent.

Where you plan on camping with this rig???

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Don't think you could buy an asbetos jack, most of the ones I've  user are metal or fiberglass.  I like the metal ones, if they bend you can straighten easy in the field.

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Hi Bear,

I know some people that have made them out of metal but some people dont think its a good idea. Is there a reason that people dont like metal. Ive tried looking up flexible stove jack kits on the net and ebay and each time my hits are about wall tents with the jack built in. How would i make one if i wanted to? My buddy got 2 pieces of 1ft x 1ft galvanized sheet metal, added silicone and riveted in the corners. Tell me what you think and give me the advans and disadvans. Also i would need to know how to cut the hole at the right angle because of the style of tent i posted.

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I got my stove jack at montana Pack and Saddle. It is some fireproof material that is flexible. R.K. Lodges, on the net, carries fiberglas ones.

The thing I don't like about metal ones, is few people remove them from the tent every time they roll them up, and the metal damages the canvas.

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Yep, the metal cuts up the canvas when the tent is folded up.. Another source for the fire proof cloth ones is Walkers Pack Saddelry in Lostine oregon
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Hey guys, do the stove jacks you use leak some water?  The ones I've used do, but it is no big deal.  If the jack is close to the peak, not a hole lot of water on the short run from ridge/peak to the jack.  If the jack is closer to the sidewall more water runs down.

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Gary,

Unless you have a large pack of horses, this doesn't look like a pack in style tent trip you are talking about.

Some thoughts about the center pole.  Military tents and your Indian version but ALL the heavy tent weight on that single center pole (unless you got a 'sky hook').  I'd not trust using a cut pole for the center post if you don't need to.  I assume you are camping utility trailer style aka F-250 rustic.  You can get 2 inch thin wall metal pipe at any home center, look in the fence dept.  Get a 5 and a 6 foot length, with a 1 foot of 2 1/2 for a coupling.  They will then fit in the bed and also you have one foot to push into the ground.  Make the 6 foot piece the ground stake and you can push the sharpened end about a foot into the ground.  after the tent is staked around the outer end the top half can be used to raise the roof.

The steel pole also lets you attach some pipe clamps with wing nuts to hang a Coleman lantern, etc.  You can also put some cross rods on the ground stake at the 1 foot level to help push the stake in to the ground and also stop it from going in to far in soft soil after a few days of supporting the tent.

Where you plan on camping with this rig???

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I doubt very much if i will use a cut down pole but as a welder i got some pipe at work that ill use to put together at the site im hunting and ill add some attachments for lanterns and such. I plan on going to the Kootenays for elk at the end of November if im drawn for a cow tag this year and to a place in the Christian valley in late November for the whitetail migration. I have a Toyota 4x4 and the camper is way too heavy to take on these long drives to these areas as well as an A.T.V. behind it so im bringing the tent to save some gas and wear and tear on my wheels. Im probably going to buy a stove jack as i dont want to chance tearing up the canvas like you all said it would do.

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on the subject of stove jacks I just bought an m-1950 5 man acrtic and I need to replace the stove jack any idea's?
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Hi Redneck. Heres a place where they sell stove jacks. I plan on buying mine from them when i get around to it. Whats wrong with the old one in the tent you just got? If youre not happy with it and just want a different one then i may be interested in buying it from you. I use a camper mostly and a tent once or twice a year depending on how far out of town im hunting and i dont want to spend big money on a stove jack from a wall tent supplier for something i dont use that much. http://www.walltentshop.com
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I'm changing them because I don't feel safe with it and if I don't think that it is safe me or mine I won't sell it no offense but, I don't like the idea of being responsable if a fire were to happen because of a faulty stove jack.
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Gary go to www.pantherprimitives.com they are a very good outfit to do
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