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    Posted: 12 June 2003 at 16:34

anyone have one of these?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 June 2003 at 02:44

What company hawken? They very greatly company to company. The only hawkens that seem to catch my eye are the Cabelas Sporterized versions. They are lighter weight than all other hawkens that i have seen. The only problem with them is that they Are sporterized, which really takes away the traditional look. I was thinking about the CVA St. Louis hawken but the double set triggers look stranger than the other ones that i have seen. I have also been reading from a lot of people that you have to tweak the triggers of the hawkens because some have a really heavy trigger pull.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 June 2003 at 12:34
i hadn't considered the company. which one would you guys think sticks the closest to the "original" hawken?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 June 2003 at 13:27
  i would go with t/c.  the only thing i didnt like about it was the trigger gaurd. hard to get a glove in when its cold out. my new englander has a big thriger gaurd. no set trigger.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 June 2003 at 18:04
Far as commercial made Hawkens on today's market,.... the 2 "production" rifles thet look the most "historicaly correct" is Lyman's Great Plains Rifle (GPR),.... or,.... Uberti's "Hawken".

The Lyman GPR, I consider to be more accurate with PRB 'cause of it's slower twist barrel (1/60 inchs),.... the Uberti "Hawken" has a 1/48 inchs.

The "John Browning" commemerative hawken was also purty correct in it's design, and a good shooter,.... tho they are no longer being made, a feller can still find one fer sale once'n a while (but, ther expensive).

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 June 2003 at 04:35

i probably never will get a front-stuffer; my wife is already frowning at me from under her pretty hazel eyes when i mention my 6.5x55 project. BUT!

if i did get one, i think i would like one with a "history," which to me, means getting a hawken!

what were some others that were floating around at the time of the mountain men? i would think sharps, but that might be a little too early for the sharps? i have also heard the name "melichor fordner," i think. probably totally butchered the spelling, though. anybody ever heard of this one?



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 June 2003 at 04:42

Tas, the Sharps wasnt made in the time of the mountain men. A lot of them probably carried rifles dating back to the Revolutionary War i.e. Kentucky Rifles. There were probably a lot more guns being carried, but i am not studying that far back in history yet. The earliest i have gone is the Civil War. I will probably start trying to find info on the mountain men this weekend.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 June 2003 at 07:18
Tas,.... The "fur trade era" of tha western mount'n men, is considered to have ben frum 1820-1840.

The Civil War 1861-1865.

The buffalo hunters (with ther Sharps, Ballards, Rem. Rollingblocks, Stevens,.... and etc.) 1865-1881.

Most any firearm thet pre-dates 1840,... back thru tha "WOI" (or, even earlier), were carryed by tha beaver-trappers (includ'n many rifleguns, and smoothbores,.... frum England, Spain, and France).

It's not possible fer tha mount'n men to have carried any rifle which was designed after "1840". It is commonly agreed thet, even tha J. S. Hawken half-stocked rifles and others such as tha, Derringer's, Leman's, Goulcher's, and etc.,.... were tha "latest thing" in firearm developement, tawards tha later part of tha fur-trade.

Modern-day blackpowder rifle manufactor's such as TC, CVA, Lyman, Traditions, Uberti, Pedersoli, Investarms, and etc. have rifles thet they refer to as their "HAWKEN'S", or, "PLAINS RIFLES",.... but only Lyman, and Uberti,.... actually manufacture a rifle thet resembles anythin thet is "historicaly correct" as such.
Many of these same companies also produce "long rifles", which are more "historicaly correct" for tha Fur Trade Era,.... onlyest problem is, not many are offered in tha large caliburs such as .54'n .58 thet is prefered to hunt taday's "Big Game".

Consider'n the "production" rifles offered taday,... most agree thet the Lyman GPR, is the "best buy" and most accurate rifle,.... available to anybuddy want'n ta re-live tha "flavor" of hunt'n big-game with a modern "reproduction" rifle. Lyman GPR "kits" are reseaonably priced frum such dealers as Natchez Shooter's Supply, and MidSouth Shooter's Supply,.... fer 'bout $250.00 and are easyly assembeled.

NO!!..... I'm not a Lyman GPR dealer!
I build "custom" blackpowder rifles!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 June 2003 at 07:25

rondo -

thanks for the "edjacashun" on the early blackpowder rifles!

the lyman gpr sounds like the way to go, for me. and for 250$ (or thereabouts) i might actually be able to sweet-talk the wife, eventually, into letting me give it a try. will keep you posted!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 June 2003 at 12:43
The Great Plains rifle is probably our best "bang for the buck", as far as production rifles go. If you get to Helena, Jim Bridgers' Hawken is in there at the state museum you could take a look at.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 June 2003 at 13:59

I wouldn't mind a Lyman Great Plains Rifle but it is just too damn heavy. 9 lbs!!!!! I would like something more around 7 to 7.5, and yes, with me the two pounds does make a difference. If someone made one that looked historically accuarate but was lighter, and opperated the same, and wasnt too expensive, i would buy it in a heart beat. I will just have to wait and see how the Kentucky Rifle suits me before i think about buying another rifle. The next gun on my list after the Kentucky is a shotgun of some sort. I really want a bp shotgun, but if i cant get it I could settle for a Remington lefty 870.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 June 2003 at 15:11
NH_Hunter,.... Pedersoli use'ta make a carbine (short'nd Blue Ridge Rifle), and you could order them frum Cabela's. I don't know if Cabela's still handles thet carbine or not, but it might be worth look'n inta, if yore look'n for a nice, light-weight, traditional style muzzleloader (I think it was offered in both, percussion, or, flintlock).

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 June 2003 at 15:14

Hey Rollingb i saw one of those at like Jeddidiah's online catalogue and it really caught my eye. If I could find one than i would snap it up in an instant if the price was good enough.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 June 2003 at 16:18
I have a T/C Hawken in 50 cal with a 32" custom Green Mountain barrel, shoots round ball only. I made it from a kit quite a few years ago. I like it alot. Have a friend who has a Lyman GPR, it is a very good rifle as well and as rollinb says it is historically correct.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 July 2003 at 06:27

I got me a T/C Hawken in .54 cal. I built from a kit 'bout 20 years ago.   Meebe she ain't the most historically correct but that ol' tool shoots center, she do.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 July 2003 at 08:01

The 1-60 twist in the GPR is a good thing. I have a 1-60 Weimer barrel on my Alexander Henry English sporter, and velocity for powder ratio is very good. Eighty grains is plenty in the .54 bore with this twist.

Ron Paull is over in Cutbank, and he used to make a lot of J. Henrys' on a semi production basis. I know he is still building guns, if you want something different from the Hawken.

Haunt the pawn shops in the other towns around. I will occassionaly see a Ron Paull, Tim Mitchell, Blue Jacket Sanders, and other custom makers guns show up for a half or third of thier value. I see these guys guns, because they are pretty much local here, and there are probably other hobby or custom makers in your areas that will turn up.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 August 2003 at 09:01
My Hawken is a .54 caliber T/C that has been "reverse engineered" a bit.  Green Mtn R/B barrel, primitive non-adjustable sights, and the sweet spot was 90 grains of Goex 2F. 
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