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    Posted: 11 July 2003 at 15:55
Now that I got your attention........

From the north tree line of our property there in a 200 yard wide corn field, and a soybean field on the other side. There is a rock pile that a darned wood chuck likes to sun himself on. I've seen him there from the highway within 20 feet of the rocks or on them every time I drive by. I walked down and glassed him once but he was gone when I got back down with my rifle. I set a shelf on a tree as a bench to use my bipod. One of these times, he and I will both be there. The only thing that remains is, can I make the shot?

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I cannot really get closer as it is not my land, but I know he wont mind if I get him. The little critter sits a foot above the soybeans when he is standing. VERY well fed!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 July 2003 at 16:52

"The only thing that remains is, can I make the shot?"

350 yds.?  Yeah, I think you'll be able to pull that one off with little problem.  Good luck !!!  >>  klallen

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 July 2003 at 17:21
We'll see. I've practiced at 300 a few times, not a lot. Might have to use a slight bit of luck!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 July 2003 at 04:04

BKC;

All that's got to happen now is your seeing the splat on the rock of a near-miss & his little furry butt waving 'goodbye' to you.  Then Klallen will direct you to serious woodchuckin' rifles, and I'll raise the issue of the stakes & tape again. 

All of us will make suggestions as to reloading procedures & set ups.  A wild flame front war will break out over the best powder thrower & method to throw a charge.  Serious aspersions will be cast upon people's ancestry over the use of single stage press vs either red or blue. 

The cast bullet crowd will ring in & show you how you did it all wrong.  The wife will move & go home to mother & Wisconsin civilization will never be the same again.

Welcome to varminting!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 July 2003 at 06:18
CB,

I think you hit the nail on the head! Of course, the long range anti's will also poke in and say how much of a moral moron I am for even trying something like this on one of god's great creations. I should show some respect and stalk in to 5 yards and share lunch with him first.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 July 2003 at 07:37

I wouldnt shoot that chuck with anything less than a 20mm Vulcan. Those things are tough   

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 July 2003 at 09:00

BK,

   Practicin your hunting / shootin skills at around 300 is something more folks should do.  Build your confidence so you know your limitations.  "a man's got to know his limitations."  Quart milk jug's, hell use a paper target but get confident in what your doing.  Once you know your limitaitons, there ain't many should I shot questions too it.  Problem is most folks don't really now.

  As fer the LR stuff, each person's got a range they consider Long - it'll be a different distance fer me than it is fer anyone else. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 July 2003 at 09:09

The only problem with that spotty is that i dont have anyplace where i can shoot 100 yards, let alone 300! Well, there is one place that goes fairly far, but there isnt any game there. It is at some powerlines where the owners had to slice a 50-75 yard wide area so they could put in massive powerlines. The area where i hunt is inside of a valley that the powerlines go through, and the powerlines are the midpoint. They go across the mile wide valley. That is the only place that i know of where i can shoot 100+ yards. Only problem there is that to be at the same elevation as my target, i would have to be shooting about 1000 yards! That is a tad extreme for my shooting skills.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 July 2003 at 11:38

Hey CB, sounds like you've been involved with a couple of these LR varmint conversations before    .

Anyway, just got back from a total revamp of my 7mm RUM zero.  The velocities with the new batch of RETUMBO did indeed drop.  And by an average of 132 fps.  Strange.  Anyway, consistency has again been found.  We're now averageing 3488 fps with a spreads of 17 fps.  I was going to try and regain the velocity lost by adding powder but with spreads like that, I'm not messing with a thing.

I decided to go with an 850 yd. zero and have to get a new drop chart generated before 6am hunt time tomorrow.  If it works out as anticipated, this zero should take me out past 1300 yds. using the dots.  We'll see.

It got so damn hot here, by 9:30am two shots had the barrel uncomfortably warm to the touch.  Not good.  We're hoping the 6am start beats the heat and the wind (fingers crossed).

Hey BK, what ya planning to shoot that pesky chuck at 350 yds. with?  Darn near anything will work.  Just wondering what you've been practicing with.  >>  klallen

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 July 2003 at 16:42

Klallen;

What are you using to figure your drop charts with?  And yes, I've been 'involved' in some of those conversations in the past.  Way back when on shooter's.  Now I prefer to sit on the sidelines - well most times.  Sometimes?

I'm planning to take the 6mm to the range early also.  Hope the wind's down.  Hot I don't mind too much, and it shouldn't be bad that early.  Have a good day tomorrow.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 July 2003 at 17:23
I've never seen a flame war break out over varmint shooting, I suppose it's something to look forward too.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 July 2003 at 19:35

"What are you using to figure your drop charts with?"

Kind of a multi-step process, CB.  Here's what we do.

First, we take our rifles out to the range and at 100 yds. adjust the scope magnification so that we have exactly 2" from mil dot to mil dot.  After that, magnification is not moved.  Puts me at about the 19 - 20 power range with this Tasco Custom Shot 8-40x56mm.  Anyway, with this info. and using a little simple mathamatics, a flow chart can be generated that will shot the instrument raise.  I have mine starting at 100 yds. and going out to 1500 yds. in 25 yd. increments and running the gambit of mils in 1/4 increments.  All the final #'s are rounded to the 10ths for easy of calculations.

Then, using the usual data from your load (velocity, BC, bullet weight, zero distance, scope height, temp, altitude), plugg it into any ballistic program and get the flight path of bullet and the wind drift at 10 mph.

From there, you simply match up the bullets raise and fall in flight, at the 25 yd. increments, to the closest instrument raise on the flow chart for the same range.  Taking into consideration the differences that there will be between actual flight path and the instrument raise, you'll know what hold will be needed for all the ranges that the scope is capable of.

Type out all the useful data and presto, one drop chart ready to go.

With my 850 yd. zero, the top solid post (or the +5 mil hold) will start me off at 400 yd.  The -5 mil hold should be getting me close at 1150 yds.    Looking forward to the test run tomorrow.  Enjoy your range time.  Chat with ya later.  >>  klallen 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 July 2003 at 01:48

THOSE RANGES ARE INSANE KLALLEN  I can barely see myself shooting 400 and your talking about 1000+!!!!!!! AHHHHHH. That is a good way to absolutely crush someone's confidence.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 July 2003 at 03:19
What you may not understand about shooting out here NH, is that KLALLEN's eyes start focusing real good around 800 yards.  If he is like me, I wear reading glasses if I am going to shoot on the 200 yard range . . . the 100 yard range is a blur most of the time.   I remember Korey telling me one time, as he prepared to shoot his .264 at a chipmunk, that he could tell what they had for breakfast by what was on their teeth!   Anything bigger than that he uses his Warbird . . .  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 July 2003 at 05:28

Here's a link that will give you an idea on drop and wind values.

http://www.handloads.com/calc/index.html

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 July 2003 at 16:08
Just my lowly .223 SAVAGE. 6-18 simmons and bi-pod. And I use 1 quart Powerade bottles for the 300 yard shot. Haven't done too many though, maybe half a dozen. Just don't have the time. Maybe I'll throw up a pic if I get time. I am on vacation this week, so if the misses doesn't keep me too busy I'll get a chance to do both.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 July 2003 at 16:26

"Just my lowly .223 SAVAGE"  Evening BK.  Lowly nothing.  My Savage .223 is one of my most favorite small varmint rigs.  And for good reason.  Accurate as hell.  Would imagine your Savage is much the same.  Make sure to report back on how the .350 yd. shot goes.

"That is a good way to absolutely crush someone's confidence"  Hey NH.  I assure you nothing will ever be posted intending to "crush  ...  confidence".  That's far from my style.  I don't mind posting how I do things and would hope that the impression others have is that I'm encouraging confidence, rather than crushing it.  Later fellas.  >>  klallen     

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 July 2003 at 17:24
klallen,

Good news and bad.

Good:
Yes, my savage does shoot pretty well. Factory Winchester varmint is usually around .75" and my handloads have gone below .5" but not always. A better loading setup would help, maybe some day.

Bad:
We have got a LOT of rain this month. more in the last couple of weeks than the first half of the year. Wish I could send some your way! Where I stood to easily watch him before, I can barely see as the corn has grown about a foot in the last week. I might have to climb a tree and try to shoot.

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If you want to see what real confidence crushing is, go post something on shooters! I got tired of all the moanig, groaning and swearing. This place is so much more serene. Hmm, should Tas pass a 'law' that says anyone involed in undue or excessive "wookieing" (?) will be warned and then expelled?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 July 2003 at 17:32
Oh, another thing. I used my old rangefinding binos that use the line system and came up with about 333 yards. I guessed at 350, so if 333 is acurate I would have been about 2" high. Makes you cry when you realize how much a baby bullet will drop in 20 yards at longer ranges! Drop is 6" from 480 - 500! OUCH! of course, this is via my homemade chart, actual drop may vary.
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