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    Posted: 24 February 2006 at 18:57
 Need some help here. I have never loaded for a .44 is there much differance between loading them little bitty case's. Also need a good load for deer and maybe some hogs out of an 18 1/2" barrel. Do ya'all think the 180 gr. will shoot as well from that barrel as they do my 7 1/2" Redhawk?
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Tikka;

You're going to go from a 2 die bottleneck cartridge set up to a 3 die straight wall pistol set up.  Presuming that you're not going to be reloading on a progressive press, the three dies will be:  Size & decap, flare, seat & crimp.  RCBS would be selling this type of die set up. 

If you are reloading on a progressive, then the dies will be like this:  Size & decap, seat, crimp.  The powder measure in most progressive presses ( like a Dillon ) will flare the mouth of the case. 

I prefer the separate seat & crimp functions, even if I'm not using Dillon dies, I'll back off the seat die so it doesn't crimp & buy a separate crimp die.  Most, if not all, Dillon crimp dies are taper crimp instead of roll crimp.  That's not a factor in .44 mag, but it's a big deal in any cartridge that's used primarily in semi-auto guns.  Rounds like the .45ACP headspace on the case mouth, so taper crimp gives a much more reliable measurement than roll crimp.

Looking at the Speer #13, using 200 grain JSP bullets, 22 grains of H110 gives 1674 as a starting load using Winchester cases & CCI  primers.  Test gun was a Marlin 1894 with a 20" barrel.  I'd certainly try 200's or 225's in a rifle, I'd think the better B/C with the increased velocity of the longer barrel would quite possibly make for a better hunting load.

Hornady 6th edition, uses a Ruger carbine with an 18" barrel as the test gun.  So, shorter barrel plus some gas pressure bleed off to operate the semi-auto mechanism.  What gun would your rifle be?  In any case, here's the data from Hornady.  H110 starting load, 22.6gr in Hornady cases with Winchester primers, 200 gr HP-XTP gives 1600 fps.

Both loads in both manuals show max loads achieving over 2000 fps with H110.  Certainly enough for whitetail deer at forest ranges.  Me, I might even start looking at the classic 240 gr loads in a rifle, especially for hogs.

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tikka: its been awhile since ive loaded some good hot .44"s , but when i did for the 180 gr. it was win. 296 powder and a mag. primer...

 and likee cb said get a good crimp on them bullets !!!!!!! dont want them to go forwards on you .... i dont have a fancy press and i do the crimp the same time i seat the bullet ....

  now with my old age i just use the starting amount of powder with a cast bullet. it goes bang and makes a nice hole in the paper...

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A couple loads I like in my 1894 are the 200gr XTP over 26gs of W296, and the 240gr XTP over 24gr of W296.  Federal 155 primers get used for these.  The Redding Profile Crimp die works great on 44 Mag rounds, as it provides both a taper and roll crimp. 

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Speer 240 gr Flat point, I used 22 1/2 gr of H110 with a heavy crimp.

Work up to this lodd as it is on the high end. I shoot it out of my Marlin 94, and get 2" groups at 100 yds, iron sights. It whacks elk with authority up close, ( 60 yds) so should do for hogs and deer also.

I don't like the hollow points or lighter bullets.

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 Thanks Guys

 I have never crimped a shell before,is that something you do because of the tube magazine ? This one has a rotary magazine ?

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Tikka;

No, crimp has nothing to do with the magazine.  It has two basic purposes in heavier pistol ammo.  One, it prevents recoil from pulling the bullet out of the case.  That's no B.S., it can happen.  Two, many loads will perform better with heavier crimp than just what's necessary to stabilize the bullet.  Those loads usually use a slower burning pistol powder & heavier bullets.  The crimp allows the ignition process to get well & truly under way before the bullet departs company with the case & increases volume - rapidly.  Otherwise, unburnt powder goes down the barrel, S/D gets bigger, velocity spreads like a fat broad in Baskin Robbins, & accuracy goes to hell in a hand basket.

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tikka: like cb says .  have you got a hammer bullet puller???? if you dont you will in the handgun if you dont crimp the bullets good..

  all you need to do is when you go to seat the bullet get it to where you want it . then back off the seater stem and crank the die body down more , then check the crimp. if you need more crimp just back the stem out alittle more and crank the body down more... when you do the first 1 look at it and make the adjments . once you do it a few times youll figure it out .....

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