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    Posted: 30 August 2019 at 15:26
Great family history Robert. 

I bet shes thanking you. 

Bear, I could listen to these stories all night. Especially if we were by a campfire. 
Thanks for sharing. 
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My Dad had barn pigeons, chickens, and a milk cow, along with plow horses, growing up in SD, during depression and war years, pigeons were "free" food. I think Grandma paid $1 or $2 for hundred chicks, every spring and they butchered the rosters. They'd start with the 1/4 fryers (game hens, just feathered out), 1/2 fryers, fryers, roasters and ant left overs and worn out hens, were canned in fall.

They lived 3 miles outside of town and Grandpa hauled livestock, grain, and booze to Chicago, along with farming. Grandpa took over the family business, when my GGD died suddenly in spring of 1929. Along with his family, Grandpa had his younger brothers and sister, to raise and mother to support. Things got tight, when probation ended, hauling just livestock, didn't pay as well.

Dad would sell the pigeons, to the town kids, for a nickel, most of the time pigeons beat Dad home. We've always had pigeons, rabbits and chickens, growing up and I raised them, when kids were home. Kids used to sell the "free range" eggs to granola store, for $2-3, depending time of year, gave them a little spending money and taught responsibility. I think they got $5 for rabbits, $10 if they (I) butchered them. I didn't make them buy the feed, but they looked after them.

Pic my Daughter sent me, I'm not sure if she was complaining or thanking me.
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As a teen, I use to crawl up into barn rafters at night. go along on all fours, collecting pigeons and sliding them into my shirt.

Next day, clean them and sell as "Squab" or "Cornish Game Hens"....either way I got $buck.  Never remember eating them;  maybe because a 1 pound frying chicken cost only 90  cents....more meat.

Later, as a somewhat adult, I'd climb up under interstate bridges and get pigeons to train pointing dogs.
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Yep he's trapping the regular flying rats. The flock has some rollers and tumblers in it, so maybe a few he caught will be.
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Landry's look like our common pigeon or rock dove.

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So many feral pigeons around, escapees, that they are all in breed.



The wood pigeon is much bigger.  when it takes to flight it sounds like our ruffed grouse, and is almost as laarge.  lots of white so it is easy to spot on the wing.  Over here, across the big pond, farmers want them doa.






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Count of trapped pigeons, even dozen.


I believe these are what we shot in CA, Wild pigeon
Color and size seem right and they were only around in late summer early fall, for a short time.

This and it's kind is what Landyr's been trapping.

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wood pigeon; white on collar, white belly; and white on wings in flight.  (imported).

Common city pigeon is a rock dove (imported).

Had two large wood pigeons with me for dinner.
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I believe the wood doves, are what is called rock pigeon, on west coast. Every fall, we used to make trip to hunt rock pigeons, in the oaks, between coast and inland deer seasons. They would move through, as the acorns got ripe, they also were hard on cherries, but CA had season, closed at that time of year. We would hunt the pigeons early and late, with quail in middle of day. Quail were in slightly different brushy areas, between oak ridges, so often you could just sit up between water/roasting area and feeding areas and pass shot them, like doves, except they dodged between trees, instead of open sky. Quail and pigeon were always my favorite bird hunting, Brittney I had at time, hunted either better than pheasant. She hunted too close for pheasant and like me, liked the slower walking pace. I guess some of the gamble's and CA quail being released on shooting clubs, are making it through winter and they can't raise or release them anymore, so they are fair game, just like collared dove now, no season/no limit . If they take root, might be a late summer hunt, collared dove and quail.

The trapped pigeon count is eight. With GS's test fit of 410, yesterday, shotgun shooting, will have to be put off a while. We'll see how he does with 22, for grouse, squirrel, and rabbit, the weekend after next. I put red dot on the lil rascal and he seemed to shoot it better offhand, than the scoped 22 semi, that I had cut stock down on, way lighter, by half or more. GS's plan now is too raise pigeons, in my old chicken coop and lots to shoot next year, with shotgun, when he's bigger. I don't mind having a few pigeons around, they're pretty easy keepers and I don't "garden" so they won't get into that. I have more cherries/berries/grapes than I ever eat, so it might as well be pigeons eating them, instead of wasps. Neighbor's might not agree, but new neighbors are granolas and already don't like me much either.

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great idea robtmt on the pigeon trap and planned usage for the captives. Got the little guy started on the right path for sure.Thumbs Up
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In Northern Yorkshire, introduced myself to some wood doves.

Ripon Castle shoot pheasant shoot will be rescheduled.
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That does sound good. Thanks Robert
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Since they're a bit smaller than pigeons, you may need to make hole and bob's gap, slightly smaller.

You could make Dove Poppers, take dove breast, after brining in salt water, sliver of jack cheese or cream cheese, under jalapeno slice, wrap with bacon and grill until just done, they're pretty good.

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Thanks Robert. I have a lot of eurasion doves living in the trees in my back yard. I'm sure I can do something a lot more productive with them than shooting them with a pellet gun. 

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I'll try to get pic, trap is at daughter's. What I did was take rabbit cage, I had and made a trap door, using bucket bails, as bobs. I kind of used this trap door, as pattern. Because cage already had hole for feeder, in corner, door ended up being too wide, if they keep escaping, I'll have to make smaller door, in back and close this one off. Door should only be 3-4" wide and cage I used had 6-8" feeder cutout. Double prong bobs, work better than single. I used coat hanger, for wire and it was too pliable.

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Bear, 

Yes I do. I have had her out shooting quite a few times. We always have a great time. She isn't totally convinced about the killing an animal part yet, but she likes eating game meat so I'm hopeful. 

Her mom will be hunting with me for the first time this year. She drew an antelope tag and an elk tag. I can't wait. 

Congratulations Robert. You are teaching them skills that will last a lifetime. 

Could you post a picture of the trap you built? I think I might need one for my back yard. 
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Grandson caught first three pigeons, by this weekend he should have a few more live targets.
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Wing also has a GD that hangs out at his house.  Bet he tries to get her involved inshooting.
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" as long as I don't let him drive. "
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I certainly miss seeing them, when I'm gone for even couple weeks.

I realize how good I have it, I bring dinner over, at least once a week and get a weekly trip over of oldest, for range day. I'm working on getting youngest over for his BB gun range day, maybe after his third BD, this fall. I've even been trusted to babysit, a few times, for a few hours. I'm still working on the all day hunting/fishing trips, daughter's given OK for grouse trips this fall, as long as I don't let him drive.

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