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Irish Bird Dog
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Posted: 28 January 2019 at 19:49 |
CARBIDE SIZING DIES the answer to a Handloaders prayer for sizing handgun brass or straight wall cases.....RIGHT
Maybe so or maybe not! Think .30 M1 Carbine brass. It is slightly tapered. Many die makers offer a Carbide Sizing Die for that caliber/case. However, most I have checked still say to "Lube the case first". Reading on Cast Boolets site for example there are mixed reports on this....some say Lube is still a MUST and others say not needed. What say any of you who load for the .30 M1 Carbine ammo.? What is your experience with this situation? |
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Wing master
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I don't reload .30 M1 Carbine, but I don't lube .45 ACP or .38 Special/.357. I use carbide dies.
I did try lubing .45's one time and the sizing step was a lot smoother, but I load them on a Dillon progressive press and don't take time to size, then clean the cases then load. I've never had a problem. Not really what you asked, but I hope this helps. Wing master
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I have always considered myself to be quite the bullshitter, But ocasionally it is nice to sit back and listen to a true professional......So, Carry on.
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BEAR
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I lube and load in regular FL size dies. Use One-Shot.
Carbide dies are interesting. I use them for 38/357. Carbide dies have just a small ring of carbide and the whole vase body is sized at that ring, not in the body of the die. If a crbide die is used on a case with a slight case taper it will make it cylindrical. seems that would make the case just kep getting blown out???????
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Irish Bird Dog
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I also use Carbide dies for all pistol cartridges and Never Lube for the STRAIGHT WALL cases like .45acp, .44Mag, .45 Colt, 38/357, 9m/m, 40 S&W etc. No need to.
However, with the slight taper in the .30M1 Carbine it seems to be an issue as mentioned by some loaders and not an issue with others. Dillon makes CARBIDE dies for bottleneck rifle cartridges BUT is adamant that you LUBE those cases even with their carbide dies. So, why buy those very expensive carbide dies then???? I think I will buy a carbide die for the .30M1 Carbine brass and see how it goes. Some say OK not to use lube and others say need to lube with those carbide dies. It would be super great if no lube needed. There are not any dies for 44-40 brass cuz it is slightly bottle necked but more so than the .30M1 carbine brass.
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If you can inspect the M1 die check the sizer. does it just have a small insert in the base like other carbide dies do? If so it is only sizing the base or is making the case into a straight walled case when used. If it is over sizing the case, I'd not use them.
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So as shown the Lee carbide die sizes the case into a uniform straight walled case. probably cycles eazy into the rifle, but seems to me that it will be work hardening the cases when expanded to chamber measurement. Also remember the carbine is meant to headspace on the case mouth.
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RaySendero
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I use that Lee carbide die for 30-M1 reloads.
Have to slightly lube every 3rd case. Mine won't work w/o a little lube. I've tried to see how long I could go w/o lube, to the point that it almost ceased up.
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Irish Bird Dog
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I think lubing every 3rd case is WAY better than lubing every case so I am going to buy the LEE die and give it a try. I have other Lee standard steel & Carbide dies and no issues with them other than they are almost to short in the threads to function in my Dillon 550B presses...older dies that is, LEE claims their newer dies (not sure when newer dies came out) have been redesigned and made long 'nuff to work in the die heads of Dillon presses. Bear....thanks for the picture from LEE showing the workings of their Carbide dies.
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mic the cases. sure they are making a straight wall case out of m1 carbine case
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More M1 carbines were made that 1903 springfields,or M1s. Only the long life/use of the AR resulted in more rifles produced. the carbine is still used in some foreign gov'ts as their military weapon, and some military forces still use it in the US.
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